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Post by boringg »

jbonatakis wrote: post #462
__jl__ wrote: post #335

What a model mess! OpenAI now has three price points: GPT 5.1, GPT 5.2 and now GPT 5.4. There version numbers jump across different model lines with codex at 5.3, what they now call instant also at 5.3. Anthropic are really the only ones who managed to get this under control: Three models, priced at three different levels. New models are immediately available everywhere. Google essentially only has Preview models! Th…

Google is already sending notices that the 2.5 models will be deprecated soon while all the 3.x models are in preview. It really is wild and peak Google.

Like building on quicksand for dependencies. I guess though the argument is that the foundation gets stronger over time

Re: GPT-5.4

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Post by FINDarkside »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #406
__jl__ wrote: post #335

What a model mess! OpenAI now has three price points: GPT 5.1, GPT 5.2 and now GPT 5.4. There version numbers jump across different model lines with codex at 5.3, what they now call instant also at 5.3. Anthropic are really the only ones who managed to get this under control: Three models, priced at three different levels. New models are immediately available everywhere. Google essentially only has Preview models! Th…

> Google essentially only has Preview models. It's really nice to see Google get back to its roots by launching things only to "beta" and then leaving them there for years. Gmail was "beta" for at least five years, I think.

Also, GCP Cloud Run domain mapping, pretty fundamental feature for cloud product, has been in "preview" for over 5 years now.

Re: GPT-5.4

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Post by sothatsit »

Alifatisk wrote: post #379

So let me get this straight, OpenAi previously had an issue with LOTS of different models snd versions being available. Then they solved this by introducing GPT-5 which was more like a router that put all these models under the hood so you only had to prompt to GPT-5, and it would route to the best suitable model. This worked great I assume and made the ui for the user comprehensible. But now, they are starting to in…

I much prefer this, we can choose based on our use-cases, and people who don’t care can still use Auto.

Re: GPT-5.4

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Post by joquarky »

thyb23 wrote: post #269
Someone1234 wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting point regarding context Vs. compaction. If that's viewed as the best strategy, I'd hope we would see more tools around compaction than just "I'll compact what I want, brace yourselves" without warning. Like, I'd love an optional pre-compaction step, "I need to compact, here is a high level list of my context + size, what should I junk?" Or similar.

This is exactly how it should work. I imagine it as a tree view showing both full and summarized token counts at each level, so you can immediately see what’s taking up space and what you’d gain by compacting it. The agent could pre-select what it thinks is worth keeping, but you’d still have full control to override it. Each chunk could have three states: drop it, keep a summarized version, or keep the full history.…

I compact myself by having it write out to a file, I prune what's no longer relevant, and then start a new session with that file.

But I'm mostly working on personal projects so my time is cheap.

I might experiment with having the file sections post-processed through a token counter though, that's a great idea.

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Post by madeofpalk »

fhrow4484 wrote: post #360
strongpigeon wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google essentially only has Preview models! The last GA is 2.5. As a developer, I can either use an outdated model or have zero insurances that the model doesn't get discontinued within weeks. What's funny is that there is this common meme at Google: you can either use the old, unmaintained tool that's used everywhere, or the new beta tools that doesn't quite do what you want. Not quite the same, but it did remind…

https://static0.anpoimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/...

oh is this about my workplace?

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Post by madeofpalk »

pembrook wrote: post #477
creamyhorror wrote: post #223

I've only used 5.4 for 1 prompt (edit: 3@high now) so far (reasoning: extra high, took really long), and it was to analyse my codebase and write an evaluation on a topic. But I found its writing and analysis thoughtful, precise, and surprisingly clearly written, unlike 5.3-Codex. It feels very lucid and uses human phrasing. It might be my AGENTS.md requiring clearer, simpler language, but at least 5.4's doing a good…

The latest research these days is that including an AGENTS.md file only makes outcomes worse with frontier models.

:(

how can i get claude to always make sure it prettier-s and lints changes before pushing up the pr though?

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Post by Marciplan »

nickysielicki wrote: post #29

can anyone compare the $200/mo codex usage limits with the $200/mo claude usage limits? It’s extremely difficult to get a feel for whether switching between the two is going to result in hitting limits more or less often, and it’s difficult to find discussion online about this. In practice, if I buy $200/mo codex, can I basically run 3 codex instances simultaneously in tmux, like I can with claude code pro max, all d…

sure can! One of them stood up to the “Department of War” for favoring your rights, the other did not. Hope that helps!

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Post by Marciplan »

vtail wrote: post #90
nickysielicki wrote: post #29

can anyone compare the $200/mo codex usage limits with the $200/mo claude usage limits? It’s extremely difficult to get a feel for whether switching between the two is going to result in hitting limits more or less often, and it’s difficult to find discussion online about this. In practice, if I buy $200/mo codex, can I basically run 3 codex instances simultaneously in tmux, like I can with claude code pro max, all d…

My own experience is that I get far far more usage (and better quality code, too) from codex. I downgrade my Claude Max to Claude Pro (the $20 plan) and now using codex with Pro plan exclusively for everything.

Codex announced at 5.3 launch that until April all usage limits are upped so take that into account

Re: GPT-5.4

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Post by Gigachad »

LUmBULtERA wrote: post #375
bottlepalm wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of websites you visit don’t have usable APIs and very poor discovery of the those APIs. Screenshots on the other hand are documentation, API, and discovery all in one. And you’d be surprised how little context/tokens screenshots consumer compared to all the back and forth verbose json payloads of APIs

>The vast majority of websites you visit don’t have usable APIs and very poor discovery of the those APIs. I think an important thing here is that a lot of websites/platforms don't want AIs to have direct API access, because they are afraid that AIs would take the customer "away" from the website/platform, making the consumer a customer of the AI rather than a customer of the website/platform. Therefore for AIs to be…

Also the fact that they don't want automated abuse. At this point a lot of services might just go app only so they can have a verified compute environment that is difficult to bot.
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