I find that specifically GPT4 uses a lot on em dashes. I find that it uses em-dashes when it is not usefull.
New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes
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Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes
#482One pattern I've noticed recently is sort of formulaic comments that look okish on their own, maybe a bit abstract/vague/bland, and not taking a particular side on good/bad in the way people like to do, but really obviously AI when you look at the account history and they're all the same formula: >this is [summary] >not just x, it's y >punchy ending, maybe question Once you know it's AI it's very obvious they told it…
The user [1] you've mentioned has 160 points being a poster of total four bland messages. This goes against a normal statistical distribution. And this gives away why they do it: the long-term aim is to cultivate voting rings to influence the narratives and rankings in the future. For now, this is only my theory but it may be a real monetization strategy for them. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=snowhale
>And this gives away why they do it: the long-term aim is to cultivate voting rings to influence the narratives and rankings in the future. For now, this is only my theory but it may be a real monetization strategy for them.
I don't think it's clear at all why people do this. I suspect a large amount of it, at least on a site like HN, is just hapless morons who think it's "cool".
Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes
#483One pattern I've noticed recently is sort of formulaic comments that look okish on their own, maybe a bit abstract/vague/bland, and not taking a particular side on good/bad in the way people like to do, but really obviously AI when you look at the account history and they're all the same formula: >this is [summary] >not just x, it's y >punchy ending, maybe question Once you know it's AI it's very obvious they told it…
>snowhale Oh, would you look at that? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47134072
> They're all sloppy. It reads nothing like an LLM.
I love how the bot forgot to read CLAUDE.md or whatever persona it set up (e.g., "make me text all lowercase, use -- instead of em dashes pleaseeee") for this single comment mixed in with the other ones:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47132431
Sadly, I think that bot comment without the 'snowhale' persona filter applied is what a lot of people here still think every bot is going to look and sound like, because the amount of people I've seen on here getting tricked by them and interacting with them has been a bit worrisome.
Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes
#484Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes
#485Prior to the rise of LLM-written posts and the natural reaction of hair-trigger suspicion, I used to em and en dash fairly often in posts on HN. No reason really other than being a bit of a typography geek who happens to have always used dashes in casual writing instead of semicolons. So when I was setting up a modifier-key keyboard layer with AHK many years ago I put the em dash on modifier+dash just because I could…
It really is unfortunate that such a fun piece of punctuation has been effectively gutted. This isn't even really limited to just the em-dash, but I don't know if there's another example of a corporation (or set of them) having such a massive impact on grammar and writing as OpenAI and their ilk have. Entire sentence structures have been effectively blacklisted from use. It's repulsive.
What’s repulsive is the people who comment incorrectly based on that punctuation or grammar use and the ones who then kowtow to public opinion as if it matters.
There is no such thing as blacklisted by other commenters.
Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes
#486I'm still salty that I can't use em-dashes anymore for fear of my writing being flagged as AI generated. Been using them for years—it's just `alt+shift+-` on a Mac keyboard and I find them more legible in many fonts compared to the simple dash on the typical numpad. It's so sad to me that good typographical conventions have been co-opted by the zeitgeist of LLMs.
I continue to write like I always have done, and if people think it's AI I really couldn't care less.
Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes
#487Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also used — and "proper" quotes which macOS/iOS puts in for you anyway I also like … This is like ruining swastikas and loading rainbows
The ellipsis problem is solved by using ... instead of the dedicated unicode character
Lots of systems convert … for you automatically.
Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes
#488Earlier quoted context omitted.
My teenager recently asked me why I write like a chatbot, apparently unaware that some human beings prefer to write in complete sentences with attention to details like spelling, punctuation, grammar, and capitalization, and that LLMs were trained on this sort of writing. This makes me think of the fad where people on youtube will hold a microphone up in frame, because it somehow connotes authenticity. I'm sure some…
I started making deliberate grammar and spelling mistakes in professional context. Not like I have a perfect writing anyway, but at least I could prove that it was self-written, not an auto-generated slop. (Could be self-written slop though :) This applies not only work-stuff itself also to the job-applications/cv/resume and cover-letters.
> I started making deliberate grammar and spelling mistakes in professional context.
I've also noticed an increase of this in myself and others, I used to edit a lot more before sending anything, but now it seems more authentic if you just hit send so it's more off the cuff with typos, broken sentences and all.
I'm sure an LLM could easily mimic this but it's not their default.
Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes
#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
unrelated but I've never understood how to put a smiley at the end of parenthetical sentences (which comes up surprisingly often for me since I use smileys a lot and also like using parentheses). Just the smiley as an end parentheses (like this :) feels off but adding another parentheses (like this :) ) makes it look like it should be nested which causes problems since I also tend to nest parenthetical sentences (lik…
I have the same problem. I just ditch the smiley face. :)
never >:(
Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes
#490Earlier quoted context omitted.
unrelated but I've never understood how to put a smiley at the end of parenthetical sentences (which comes up surprisingly often for me since I use smileys a lot and also like using parentheses). Just the smiley as an end parentheses (like this :) feels off but adding another parentheses (like this :) ) makes it look like it should be nested which causes problems since I also tend to nest parenthetical sentences (lik…
The answer is obviously to balance your smiley faces and wrap the entire statement in the smiley face sentiment. ((: Like this :))
That’s quite the Scheme…