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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by esseph »

simonw wrote: post #310
hmokiguess wrote: post #307

Are these things actually useful or do we have an epidemic of loneliness and a deep need for vanity AI happening? I say this because I can’t bring myself to finding a use case for it other than a toy that gets boring fast. One example in some repos around scheduling capabilities mentions “open these things and summarize them for me” this feels like spam and noise not value. A while back we had a trending tweet about…

I don't have a Claw running right now and I wish I did. I want to start archiving the livestream from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGL7A2YgUY - YouTube only provide access to the last 12 hours. If I had a Claw on a 24/7 machine somewhere I could message it and say "permanent archive this stream" and it would figure it out and do it.

This sounds like it would be better suited for a shell script.

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Post by mystifyingpoi »

qup wrote: post #407
xg15 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly are they self hosting here? Probably not the model, right? So just the harness? That does sound like the worst of both worlds: You get the dependency and data protection issues of a cloud solution, but you also have to maintain a home server to keep the agent running on?

"maintain a home server" in this case roughly means "park a headless Mac mini (or laptop or RPi) on your desk" And you can use a local LLM if you want to eliminate the cloud dependency.

> And you can use a local LLM

That ship has sailed a long time ago. It's of course possible, if you are willing to invest a few thousand dollars extra for the graphics card rig + pay for power.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by ZitchDog »

jameslk wrote: post #449

One safety pattern I’m baking into CLI tools meant for agents: anytime an agent could do something very bad, like email blast too many people, CLI tools now require a one-time password The tool tells the agent to ask the user for it, and the agent cannot proceed without it. The instructions from the tool show an all caps message explaining the risk and telling the agent that they must prompt the user for the OTP I ha…

I've created my own "claw" running in fly.io with a pattern that seems to work well. I have MCP tools for actions that I want to ensure human-in-the loop - email sending, slack message sending, etc. I call these "activities". The only way for my claw to execute these commands is to create an activity which generates a link with the summary of the acitvity for me to approve.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by ollybrinkman »

The challenge with layering on top of LLM agents is payment — agents need to call external tools and services, but most APIs still require accounts and API keys that agents can't manage. The x402 standard (HTTP 402 + EIP-712 USDC signatures) solves this cleanly: agent holds a wallet, signs a micropayment per call, no account needed. Worth considering as a primitive for agent-to-agent commerce in these architectures.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by znnajdla »

pvtmert wrote: post #100

Does one really need to _buy_ a completely new desktop hardware (ie. mac mini) to _run_ a simple request/response program? Excluding the fact that you can run LLMs via ollama or similar directly on the device, but that will not have a very good token/s speed as far as I can guess...

What other device would you suggest as a home server that a non tech person can set up themselves and has enough power to run several Chrome tabs? Access to iMessage is a plus. Small beeline Windows devices could also work but it’s Windows 11, slow as molasses.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by esseph »

xg15 wrote: post #51
mittermayr wrote: post #43

I wonder how long it'll take (if it hasn't already) until the messaging around this inevitably moves on to "Do not self-host this, are you crazy? This requires console commands, don't be silly! Our team of industry-veteran security professionals works on your digital safety 24/7, you would never be able to keep up with the demands of today's cybersecurity attack spectrum. Any sane person would host their claw with us…

What exactly are they self hosting here? Probably not the model, right? So just the harness? That does sound like the worst of both worlds: You get the dependency and data protection issues of a cloud solution, but you also have to maintain a home server to keep the agent running on?

> but you also have to maintain a home server to keep the agent running on

I'm not fascinated by the idea that a lot of people here don't have multiple Mac minis or minisforum or beelink systems running at home. That's been a constant I've seen in tech since the 90s.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by rane »

alecco wrote: post #430

> Bought a new Mac mini to properly tinker with claws over the weekend. Disappointing. There is a Rust-based assistant that can run comfortably in a Raspberry PI (or some very old computer you are not using) https://zeroclawlabs.ai/ https://github.com/zeroclaw-labs/zeroclaw (Built by Harvard and MIT students, looks like) EDIT: sorry top Google result led to a fake ZeroClaw!

This zeroclaw.org has to be some kind of malware.

This is the official repo https://github.com/zeroclaw-labs/zeroclaw and its website: https://zeroclawlabs.ai/

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