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Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by notpushkin »

narrator wrote: post #461
Loic wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They put no limits on the API usage, as long as you pay. Here, they put limits on the "under-cover" use of the subscription. If they can provide a relatively cheap subscription against the direct API use, this is because they can control the stuff end-to-end, the application running on your system (Claude Code, Claude Desktop) and their systems. As you subscribe to these plans, this is the "contract", you can use onl…

I think what most people don't realize is running an agent 24/7 fully automated is burning a huge hole in their profitability. Who even knows how big it is. It could be getting it on the 8/9 figures a day for all we know. There's this pervasive idea left over from the pre-llm days that compute is free. You want to rent your own H200x8 to run your Claude model, that's literally going to cost $24/hour. People are just…

This is honestly the key difference here. I’m morally okay with using Claude Max Whatever with something like OpenCode because it’s literally the same thing from the usage pattern perspective. Plugging Nanoclaw into it is a whole another thing.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by troyvit »

I think I've made two good decisions in my life. The first was switching entirely to Linux around '05 even though it was a giant pain in the ass that was constantly behind the competition in terms of stability and hardware support. It took awhile but wow no regrets.

The second appears to be hitching my wagon to Mistral even though it's apparently nowhere as powerful or featureful as the big guys. But do you know how many times they've screwed me over? Not once.

Maybe it's my use cases that make this possible. I definitely modified my behavior to accommodate Linux.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by sharperguy »

latexr wrote: post #358
seu wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Opus has gone down the hill continously in the last week Is a week the whole attention timespan of the late 2020s?

We’re still in the mid-late 2020s. Once we really get to the late 2020s, attention spans won’t be long enough to even finish reading your comment. People will be speaking (not typing) to LLMs and getting distracted mid-sentence.

I would even call it mid 2020s. I think in a couple years people's attention spans will be so short they won't even finish reading comments.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by notpushkin »

barrkel wrote: post #451
stavros wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But a) I'm not doing that and b) they can just ban that, like they have rate limits. Why ban OpenCode?

They have rate limits, but they also want to control the nozzle, and not all their users use all their allocation all the time. In reality, heavy subscription users are subsidized by light subscription users. The rate limits aren't everything. If agent harnesses other than Claude Code consume more tokens than average, or rather, if users of agent harnesses other than CC consume more tokens than average, well, Anthrop…

> If agent harnesses other than Claude Code consume more tokens than average, or rather, if users of agent harnesses other than CC consume more tokens than average

Do they, though?

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by abm53 »

andreagrandi wrote: post #273

I'm only waiting for OpenAI to provide an equivalet ~100 USD subscription to entirely ditch Claude. Opus has gone down the hill continously in the last week (and before you start flooding with replies, I've been testing opus/codex in parallel for the last week, I've plenty of examples of Claude going off track, then apologising, then saying "now it's all fixed!" and then only fixing part of it, when codex nailed at t…

I’m unsure exactly in what way you believe it has gone “down the hill” so this isn’t aimed at you specifically but more a general pattern I see.

That pattern is people complaining that a particular model has degraded in quality of its responses over time or that it has been “nerfed” etc.

Although the models may evolve, and the tools calling them may change, I suspect a huge amount of this is simply confirmation bias.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by whiplash451 »

mmasu wrote: post #437
bilekas wrote: post #314

It might be some confirmation bias here on my part but it feels as if companies are becoming more and more hostile to their API users. Recently Spotify basically nuked their API with zero urgency to fix it, redit has a whole convoluted npm package your obliged to use to create a bot, Facebook requires you to provide registered company and tax details even for development with some permissions. Am I just old man screa…

I think that these companies are understanding that as the barrier to entry to build a frontend gets lower and lower, APIs will become the real moat. If you move away from their UI they will lose ad revenue, viewer stats, in short the ability to optimize how to harness your full attention. It would be great to have some stats on hand and see if and how much active API user has increased decreased in the last two year…

> the barrier to entry to build a frontend gets lower

My impression is the opposite: frontend/UI/UX is where the moat is growing because that's where users will (1) consume ads (2) orchestrate their agents.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by small_model »

miroljub wrote: post #418
piokoch wrote: post #402

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To get comparable results you need to run those models on at least prosumer hardware and it seems that two beef-up Mac Studios are the minimum. Which means that instead of buying this hardware you can purchase Claude, Codex and many other subscriptions for next 20 years.

Or you purchase a year's worth of almost unlimited MiniMax coding plan for a price you'd pay for 15 days of limited Claude usage. And as a bonus, you can choose your harness. You don't have to suffer CC. And if something better appears tomorrow, you switch your model, while still using your harness of choice.

And do you think Claude won't have released a few models by then, which will be way ahead of any open model? you are paying for SOTA.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by vldszn »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #195
vldszn wrote: post #125

At this point, are there decent alternatives to Anthropic models for coding that allow third-party usage?

Kimi is amazing for this. They offer API usage as well iirc if you buy their subscription.

Thanks, will explore Kimi. Haven’t tried it yet

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by Xunjin »

narrator wrote: post #461
Loic wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They put no limits on the API usage, as long as you pay. Here, they put limits on the "under-cover" use of the subscription. If they can provide a relatively cheap subscription against the direct API use, this is because they can control the stuff end-to-end, the application running on your system (Claude Code, Claude Desktop) and their systems. As you subscribe to these plans, this is the "contract", you can use onl…

I think what most people don't realize is running an agent 24/7 fully automated is burning a huge hole in their profitability. Who even knows how big it is. It could be getting it on the 8/9 figures a day for all we know. There's this pervasive idea left over from the pre-llm days that compute is free. You want to rent your own H200x8 to run your Claude model, that's literally going to cost $24/hour. People are just…

I understand you mean for free in the sense that you don't pay a third party to use it, however let's no forget that you still use the power grid and that's not free. Also worth to note that energy prices have increased worldwide.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by gexla »

stavros wrote: post #420
gexla wrote: post #242

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That should be fine, because it's still using their tooling. And this seems like the better way to go. I have a couple of tools that work like this. I think the issue is mostly 3rd party harnesses that seek to do the same as Claude Code. And it seems reasonable that Anthropic decides how you can use the subscription, because it's heavily subsidized. Get a Claude $200 sub and max out the usage limits, then compare tha…

It literally says in the linked page it's not fine.

Okay, I was mistaken. The tooling I was speaking of uses Claude Code rather than the SDK. One uses the Zed ACP protocol. I'm not sure about the other. I should have said Claude Code rather than the SDK. For example, I can run a session through one of the tools, and then access that session directly in Claude Code. It's still Claude though. It seems the important element is that you're not using OAuth tokens from a sub to use in a different tool. If you go through Claude Code, then Claude Code is handling everything and giving your tool the output. Thanks for the correction.
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