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Mawr wrote: post #408
schiffern wrote: post #382

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What do you think I said that you're contradicting? IMO the presence of safety chase vehicles is just a sensible "as low as reasonably achievable" measure during the early rollout. I'm not sure that can (fairly) be used as a point against them. I'm comfortably with Tesla sparing no expense for safety, since I think we all (including Tesla) understand that this isn't the ultimate implementation. In fact, I think it wo…

> IMO the presence of safety chase vehicles is just a sensible "as low as reasonably achievable" measure during the early rollout. I'm not sure that can (fairly) be used as a point against them. Only if you're comparing them to another company, which you seem to be. So yes, yes it can. Seriously, the amount of sheer cope here is insane. Waymo is doing the thing. Tesla is not. If Tesla were capable of doing it, they w…

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Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by bdangubic »

OGEnthusiast wrote: post #3

What's going to happen to all the millions of drivers who will lose their job overnight? In a country with 100 million guns, are we really sure we've thought this through?

what did all the farmers do when the first tractors rolled into the fields?

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by rvnx »

belter wrote: post #464
hosh wrote: post #302

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I also think the presence of Sergey Brin has been making a difference in this.

Because after the death of Epstein he suddenly had a lot of free time? https://www.wsj.com/finance/jeffrey-epstein-advised-sergey-b... https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/2017428928814588323

If this is true, this is disappointing :/

On a similar topic, it is worth mentioning the entrepreneurs that are forced into sex (or let’s say, very pushed) by VCs.

For those who feel safe or taking it as a joke, this affects women AND men.

Some people are going to be disappointed about their heroes.

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by schiffern »

Mawr wrote: post #408
schiffern wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think I said that you're contradicting? IMO the presence of safety chase vehicles is just a sensible "as low as reasonably achievable" measure during the early rollout. I'm not sure that can (fairly) be used as a point against them. I'm comfortably with Tesla sparing no expense for safety, since I think we all (including Tesla) understand that this isn't the ultimate implementation. In fact, I think it wo…

> IMO the presence of safety chase vehicles is just a sensible "as low as reasonably achievable" measure during the early rollout. I'm not sure that can (fairly) be used as a point against them. Only if you're comparing them to another company, which you seem to be. So yes, yes it can. Seriously, the amount of sheer cope here is insane. Waymo is doing the thing. Tesla is not. If Tesla were capable of doing it, they w…

>Waymo is doing the thing.

This worldview is overly simplistic.

Waymo has (very shrewdly, for prospective investors at least) executed a strategy that most quickly scales to 0.1% of the population. Unfortunately it doesn't scale further. The cars are too costly and the mapping is too costly. There is no workable plan for significant scale from Waymo.

Tesla is executing the strategy that most quickly scales to 100% of the population.

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by jsrozner »

scoofy wrote: post #312
caycep wrote: post #265

All this work is impressive, but I'd rather have better trains

As someone who lives in the Bay Area we already have trains, and they're literally past the point of bankruptcy because they (1) don't actually charge enough maintain the variable cost of operations, (2) don't actually make people pay at all, and (3) don't actually enforce any quality of life concerns short of breaking up literal fights. All of this creates negative synergies that pushes a huge, mostly silent segment…

over the long term, this is solved with a wealth tax, but undoing what rich ppl have done to society (i.e. making lots of poor people) will unfortunately take many, many years; so many years that it will never actually happen

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by generalenvelope »

xnx wrote: post #428
Hikikomori wrote: post #385

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>without billions in subsidies Is there a magic road wand?

No, but roads are paid for by road users (i.e. everyone).

AFAICT, the majority (60%) of funding for roads doesn't come from direct user charges...

Roads are subsidized, free parking (and generally a lot of paid parking) is subsidized, and the sprawl encouraged by car dependence combined with the resulting infrastructure costs has and will continue to bankrupt cities.

I don't think we should "just only have trains", but the current US transit landscape is absurdly stupid and inefficient.

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Post by iknowstuff »

Fricken wrote: post #360
nerdsniper wrote: post #199

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I think Elon announced Tesla was ditching LIDAR in 2019.[0] This was before Mobileye offered LIDAR. Mobileye has used LIDAR from Luminar Technologies around 2022-2025. [1][2] They were developing their own lidar, but cancelled it. [3] They chose Innoviz Technologies as their LIDAR partner going forward for future product lines. [4] 0: https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/22/anyone-relying-on-lidar-is... 1: https://static.m…

The original Mobileye EyeQ3 devices that Tesla began installing in their cars in 2013 had only a single forward facing camera. They were very simple devices, only intended to be used for lane keeping. Tesla hacked the devices and pushed them beyond their safe design constraints. Then that guy got decapitated when his Model S drove under a semi-truck that was crossing the highway and Mobileye terminated the contract.…

They had radar too. No such incidents since going camera only fyi, even on the old autopilot product

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Post by Andrex »

QuantumFunnel wrote: post #456
mattlondon wrote: post #89

Suddenly all this focus on world models by Deep mind starts to make sense. I've never really thought of Waymo as a robot in the same way as e.g. a Boston Dynamics humanoid, but of course it is a robot of sorts. Google/Alphabet are so vertically integrated for AI when you think about it. Compare what they're doing - their own power generation , their own silicon, their own data centers, search Gmail YouTube Gemini wor…

Also known as a monopoly. This should terrify us all.

No, it's known as vertical integration, which is legally permitted by default.

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by AYBABTME »

refulgentis wrote: post #309
hosh wrote: post #302

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I also think the presence of Sergey Brin has been making a difference in this.

Ex-googler: I doubt it, but am curious for rationale (i know there was a round of PR re: him “coming back to help with AI.” but just between you and me, the word on him internally, over years and multiple projects, was having him around caused chaos b/c he was a tourist flitting between teams, just spitting out ideas, but now you have unclear direction and multiple teams hearing the same “you should” and doing it)

the rebuke is that lack of chaos makes people feel more orderly and as if things are going better, but it doesn't increase your luck surface area, it just maximizes cozy vibes and self interested comfort.
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