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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by deno »

tosapple wrote: post #318
deno wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "fake" user/profile should work like a duress pin with addition of deniability. So as soon as you log in to the second profile all the space becomes free. Just by logging in you would delete the encryption key of the other profile. The actual metadata that show what is free or not were encrypted in the locked profile. Now gone.

Good idea, but this is why you image devices.

Sorry I explained it poorly and emphasized the wrong thing.

The way it would work is not active destruction of data just a different view of data that doesn’t include any metadata that is encrypted in second profile.

Data would get overwritten only if you actually start using the fallback profile and populating the "free" space because to that profile all the data blocks are simply unreserved and look like random data.

The profiles basically overlap on the device. If you would try to use them concurrently that would be catastrophic but that is intended because you know not to use the fallback profile, but that information is only in your head and doesn’t get left on the device to be discovered by forensic analysis.

Your main profile knows to avoid overwriting the fallback profile’s data but not the other way around.

But also the point is you can actually log in to the duress profile and use it normally and it wouldn’t look like destruction of evidence which is what current GrapheneOS’s duress pin does.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

MoonWalk wrote: post #243
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did she have Bitlocker or FileVault or other disk encryption that was breeched? (Or they took the system booted as TLAs seek to do?)

breached

Ha, no, shoved down someone's trousers! ;oP

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by apparent »

wackget wrote: post #251
nova22033 wrote: post #236

Remember...they can make you use touch id...they can't make you give them your password. https://x.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20 The FBI was able to access Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson's Signal messages because she used Signal on her work laptop. The laptop accepted Touch ID for authentication, meaning the agents were allowed to require her to unlock it.

Link which doesn't directly support website owned by unscrupulous trillionaire: https://xcancel.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20

There are trillionaires?

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by fckgw »

djhn wrote: post #479
parl_match wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish Apple would offer a pin option on macos. For this reason, precisely. Either that, or an option to automatically disable touchid after a short amount of time (eg an hour or if my phone doesn't connect to the laptop)

Wait, wasn’t touch id phased out together with the intel touch bar macbooks? I’ve never used anything but a long password to unlock.

No, it's been part of the power button since then.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by qingcharles »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #415
ElevenLathe wrote: post #375

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Being held in contempt at least means you got a day in court first. A judge telling me to give up my password is different than a dozen armed, masked secret police telling me to.

> A judge telling me to give up my password is different than a dozen armed, masked secret police telling me to. Yes, a judge is unlikely to order your execution if you refuse. Based on recent pattern of their behavior, masked secret police who are living their wildest authoritarian dreams are likely to execute you if you anger them (for example by refusing to comply with their desires).

I don't practically see it happen, but you have to be careful once you are in a jail though, because there are often few limits on what the administration of the jail can do to you for any supposed violation of the jail rules (which they can legally make up on a whim, and due process is extremely limited). In Illinois, at least, a county Sheriff has unlimited power to punish a detainee in any extreme way they can imagine for even the very slightest infraction. There are no laws (statutes) which define what a "crime" is inside jail and what the punishment for it is. If it wasn't for SCOTUS limiting the death penalty to certain levels of behavior (e.g. murder) then a sheriff would be able to simply legally execute a detainee for pretty much anything.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by qingcharles »

mbil wrote: post #267
nova22033 wrote: post #236

Remember...they can make you use touch id...they can't make you give them your password. https://x.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20 The FBI was able to access Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson's Signal messages because she used Signal on her work laptop. The laptop accepted Touch ID for authentication, meaning the agents were allowed to require her to unlock it.

Reminder that you can press the iPhone power button five times to require passcode for the next unlock.

Everyone makes this same comment on each of these threads, but it's important to remember this only works if you have some sort of advance warning. If you have the iPhone in your hand and there is a loaded gun pointed at your head telling you not to move, you probably won't want to move.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by qingcharles »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #385
nova22033 wrote: post #236

Remember...they can make you use touch id...they can't make you give them your password. https://x.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20 The FBI was able to access Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson's Signal messages because she used Signal on her work laptop. The laptop accepted Touch ID for authentication, meaning the agents were allowed to require her to unlock it.

As if the government is not above breaking the law and using rubber hose decryption. The current administration’s justice department has been caught lying left and right

And threats aren't illegal. They can put a gun to wife's head and say they're going to shoot. It's up to you then to call their bluff.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by halJordan »

OGWhales wrote: post #403
noident wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very unusual and narrow exception involving "foregone conclusion doctrine", an important fact missed by Ars Technica but elaborated on by AP: https://apnews.com/general-news-49da3a1e71f74e1c98012611aedc...

> Authorities, citing a “foregone conclusion exception” to the Fifth Amendment, argued that Rawls could not invoke his right to self-incrimination because police already had evidence of a crime. The 3rd Circuit panel agreed, upholding a lower court decision. I do not follow the logic here, what does that even mean? It seems very dubious. And what happens if one legitimately forgets? They just get to keep you there fo…

It means that if all the other evidence shows that the desired evidence is on the computer, then it is not a question of whether it exists, so youre not really searching for something. Youre retrieving it. That doesn't implicate the 4th amendment.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by halJordan »

kingnothing wrote: post #406
827a wrote: post #324

Is there an implication here that they could get into an iPhone with lower security settings enabled? There's Advanced Data Protection, which E2EEs more of your data in iCloud. There's the FaceID unlock state, which US law enforcement can compel you to unlock; but penta-click the power button and you go into PIN unlock state, which they cannot compel you to unlock. My understanding of Lockdown Mode was that it babyif…

It's relatively well know that the NSO Group / Pegasus is what governments use to access locked phones.

The nso group is on the entity list, so no western govt is using it. And it was never used to gain access to devices that they already had physical control over.
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