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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

borroka wrote: post #381
LogicFailsMe wrote: post #280

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That's because the loudest voices don't really get how the technology or the science works. They just know how to shout persuasively. I think AI is about to do the same thing to pair programming that full self-driving has done for driving. It will be a long time before it's perfect but it's already useful. I also think someone is going to make a Blockbuster quality movie with AI within a couple years and there will b…

I do not doubt that AI and AI-powered and -native applications will become part of the fabric of our personal and professional lives. What I don't understand is why, outside of "because I can", people need to automate parts of life I did not know the existence of. - Why, outside of edge cases, do people have to automate the payment of bills beyond the automatic cc processing? - How many times a month do they have to…

I would love an AI to curate my feed to transition from enragement equals engagement to pure enchantment feeding me things it decides I would enjoy. And I think that's completely within the abilities of current models. It's just that it's less profitable than driving me into an endless doom scroll loop of despair.

And that's just off the top of my head. AI is neither good or evil, but we've made some pretty poor choices deploying it.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by ryukoposting »

scottyah wrote: post #473
ryukoposting wrote: post #345

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> Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? Yeah, the sane solution here is much simpler. Put a magnet whiteboard. When you put something into the fridge, add it to the whiteboard. When you take something out, you erase that item from the whiteboard.

Then remember to carry that whiteboard with you just in case you get off work early and decide to hit the grocery store.

Good thing the grocery store gives me a piece of paper with a list of the things I bought.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by helicopterpeter »

dmje wrote: post #139

What strikes me here is the extreme noise. I mean, I’m 50+ so you know, but even so, this shit doesn’t make sense. To be living a life where you’re checking messaging groups for 100+ messages a day, needing some kind of bot to manage your (obviously extremely traffic’d) texts incoming, to be watching tens of prices of stocks, products, meeting, what, tens of people a day (as an introvert…)… Holy shit, fuck that. Slow…

> Slow the bejesus down and live a little.

People keep optimizing workflows with AI to save time, and then use the saved time to optimize more workflows.

I feel like I need to touch grass just reading this post

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by nfw2 »

urbandw311er wrote: post #452
nfw2 wrote: post #414

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don't be pedantic about grammar and then get your own grammar wrong

I’ll admit to the pedantry but I can’t see any issues with my grammar. Feel free to share your analysis.

> Dear Brandon.

not a sentence

> King regards.

not a sentence

> I'll admit to the pedantry but

missing comma between independent clauses

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by adastra22 »

LogicFailsMe wrote: post #478
adastra22 wrote: post #336

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> I think AI is about to do the same thing to pair programming that full self-driving has done for driving. Approximately nothing?

So if you're close to retirement, that curmudgeon schtick might work out for you. But otherwise, be prepared to learn some new things or you're going to go through a few things.

The point is that right now self driving cars hasn’t been very transformative. It might be, in future tense. But right now if your world has been turned upside down by self driving, you’re very much living in a bubble.

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

adastra22 wrote: post #485
LogicFailsMe wrote: post #478

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So if you're close to retirement, that curmudgeon schtick might work out for you. But otherwise, be prepared to learn some new things or you're going to go through a few things.

The point is that right now self driving cars hasn’t been very transformative. It might be, in future tense. But right now if your world has been turned upside down by self driving, you’re very much living in a bubble.

Or you own a later model car with blind spot detection, automatic Lane keeping, self parking and a bunch of other AI/ML safety features that invisibly lower the cognitive load of driving.

The real bubble is the United States as the global luddite with nukes. The rest of the world is continuing apace on every front while we desperately try to return to the previous century.

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Post by GrinningFool »

codeulike wrote: post #384
GrinningFool wrote: post #373

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Every time I ask copilot in 365 to do something with calendar or email, it tells me it has no access but helpfully suggests I could paste some content in... I check in once a month or so and get the same results.

I believe you need to pay for an add-on called "Microsoft 365 Copilot" https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/microsoft-365-copilot

Wouldja look at that. Thanks!

The naming of these things makes it all very clear, really.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by advisedwang »

direwolf20 wrote: post #379
advisedwang wrote: post #212

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Yes, it is wire fraud, a class C felony in the US. You put that there with the intent of extracting $500 from somebody else that they didn't agree to. The mechanism makes no difference. It probably also violates local laws (including simple theft in my jurisdiction).

You will argue it was consensual. Your HN posting history must be erased before it befones relevant. You said please give $500 and they gave $500. No crime here, officer.

If you go up to someone on the street and say "give me your wallet" and they give you their wallet, you committed a robbery, even if you made no explicit threat and had no weapon.

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Post by lwowowx »

angiolillo wrote: post #372
louiereederson wrote: post #238

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…

> Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? I agree that removing items and taking pictures takes more effort than it saves, but I would use a simpler solution if one existed because it turns out I cannot remember what we have. When my partner goes to the store I get periodic text messages from them asking how much X we have…

> but I would use a simpler solution if one existed

I often thought about a magnetic barcode scanner that is attached to the fridge and connected to some form of inventory app, but it would be useless at fresh produce without a barcode.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by hackyhacky »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #299
hackyhacky wrote: post #234

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IMHO the "killer app" aspect of OpenClaw (and similar) is that everything is now an API . We think of chat apps, like WhatsApp, as being ways to communicate with people, which is a nice way of saying they are protocols. When you want something, you send a message, and you get an answer, just like with HTTP, except the endpoints have been controlled by meat. With OpenClaw, the meat is gone. Now you can send a message…

> We've replaced human communication with an ad-hoc, open-ended date-negotiation protocol, using English instead of JSON as a data-interchange format, and OpenClaw as the interface library. People heralding this as a good thing is extremely disturbing.

I think AI will be a disaster for the human race. We'll be more isolated, lonely, and unemployed. Power and wealth will be accumulated even faster by the owning class. Labor will be devalued.

I'm just sitting here guessing about what that disaster will taste like.

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