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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by kaveh_h »

rvnx wrote: post #306
MonkeyClub wrote: post #231

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Depends on which data center you're hosted. The one under US jurisdiction operated by Hetzner US LLC must comply, while the German ones are operating under the GDPR, which has extraterritorial clauses can can deny or challenge the request.

It's not that guaranteed. The reality is that if you have any interest, company or employees in the US you can be coerced to do anything the US government wants. Either legally through courts, or through business influence, or through harassment (e.g. hardcore checks from the IRS). Sorry, Stripe rejects you now because you are high-risk (you have to explain why you refuse to help in criminal cases, though there is a…

Any company opting for building digital sovereign systems should build a redundant and decentralized organization so that in worst case the company can split up its operations geographically to avoid being in the crosshairs of any host countries government.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by isodev »

Zigurd wrote: post #413
miohtama wrote: post #357

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Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.

True but obv. Only lunatics would use a Russian cloud service. The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different. Also, why Europe should start treating us like Russians.

> why Europe should start treating us like Russians

Because your CEOs have become power players in your politics and that’s generally a Russian/Oligarch thing.

Like Apple trying to wiggle their way out of the DMA and when their bs arguments fail in court they send peach daddy with tariffs and what not.

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Post by ben_w »

pixelpoet wrote: post #459
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #421

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I'll bite. Nothing would have come of it. Ehe EU would have been upset for 3-6 months, then it would have got onboard with the idea that Greenland is now a US territory and that's that. France has a too good of a cuisine to be invaded. I think Germany would be next, they are running their mouth more than they should and they suck at food. Unless the mid-terms change the political majority in the US, the Democrats can…

This is some top notch r/ShitAmericansSay material, especially Germany "running their mouth" and having bad food. Add in democrats "wining" and I'm pretty sure this post belongs on a Confederate cooking blog rather than HN.

Mm.

One of the criticisms I hear of Merz is that he's not tough enough on Trump; therefore the choice to target Germany at this time, matches a pattern of the target being painted on whoever wants to play nice.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by yeahwhatever10 »

202508042147 wrote: post #49

As a European, I am glad that this is finally discussed in the open! I have made multiple comments in the last weeks that one of the most important things, for me, is an alternative to the Visa/Mastercard duopoly. And yes, I can use an app to pay, but whenever I rent a car or purchase something online, I still use one of these two American companies. Why isn't the European Commission mandating these app payments in d…

Europe almost had in once ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirecard

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by mindslight »

peyton wrote: post #429
gchamonlive wrote: post #408

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Could you elaborate on what constitutes far-left political activism?

I don’t know if this counts as activism, but I was at my university’s Faculty Club and a faculty member walked over and immediately started bitching about Donald Trump without introducing themselves. Like, you’re supposed to be in the business of developing people. What a gigantic waste of time and money.

This just sounds like basic social bonding for red blooded Americans these days. Would you have condemned them for similar commiserating in the aftermath of September 11 or Oklahoma City?

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by ben_w »

palata wrote: post #479
ben_w wrote: post #437

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> People don't quite realize how big a deal "invading" Greenland would have been. That's literally an act of war! What's next, occupying France? Saying that it's at all a possibility is far beyond any red line that the EU thought it would have to deal with. Yes, absolutely, I agree. Thing is, in the end he backed off, so the result was all talk. He TACOed. For everyone's sake (including Americans'), I absolutely 100%…

> Thing is, in the end he backed off, so the result was all talk. He TACOed. But for a few days (and probably still now), many people considered it was a real possibility. I don't think it matters whether the US meant it or not. What matters is whether the Europeans believed it or not. Trust is about belief.

I agree.

I think I'm being misunderstood here.

All the stuff you said, that's why I want to make sure we (Europeans) *don't* go "phew!"

I think some of us might be doing that, which I think is bad for us.

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Post by hbogert »

tosapple wrote: post #432
miohtama wrote: post #357

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Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.

While they ditch Microsoft, Amazon and Oracle: we still use Linux, Sel4, ASML and ARM. There's lots of interesting stuff to watch out for.

what's wrong with using european stuff? (ARM, ASML)

:P

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by dijit »

esskay wrote: post #448
dijit wrote: post #217

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“you offer managed databases, but RDS supports x ”. I can see it coming already, no point in extending this thread

Ok let me try this, because I can assure you my intent is not to throw some sort of "gotcha" in here. I'm thinking about this purely from my own personal usecase, and right now as far as I'm aware theres no AWS alternative in the EU that can do all this for me. Nothing I am using here relies on some sort of obscure feature of each service at all. My usecase is: - MySQL (using Aurora but really dont need to), hands of…

Scaleway has all of that except EFS which should be solved another way anyway realistically, and the CDN.

Object Storage as a replacement for EFS, or CIFS if its a legacy server app, or if you hate yourself: NFS.

Theres options here, but thats the only real snag.

For the CDN, I’d go with Bunny, its not in the same suite but its actually better than AWS CDN anyway.

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