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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by direwolf20 »

Wazako wrote: post #291
willtemperley wrote: post #269

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What is absurd is finding yourself paying 30% on every digital item purchased on a smartphone app. It would never even occur to us that Microsoft takes a 30% margin on Steam, yet that is what happens on webtoon apps.

Microsoft threatened to take 30% margin on all Steam transactions. That's why Valve embraced Linux and made the Steam Deck and Steam Machine.

Valve already takes a 30% cut of all Steam transactions. It's just corporations fighting to steal each other's revenue streams.

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Post by direwolf20 »

willtemperley wrote: post #402
newsclues wrote: post #398

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Remember when software was sold in a box with a paper manual in a store? Before App Store and steam, retailers and publishers of games and software also took their share of the revenue from the work software developers created. Their cut wasn’t small. If the government stepped in to regulate the sales of software (to protect developers and consumers?) do you think: A) apps will cost less B) the government won’t want…

Gov't taking a cut from tha App store is already happening [1] and it's a legitimate concern unlike the concept of Apple taking cuts from people's salary (LOL). [1] https://mjtsai.com/blog/2025/02/12/app-store-and-japanese-co...

So they aren't exempt from sales tax in Japan, and they're crying about it?

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Post by happymellon »

lelanthran wrote: post #474
lozenge wrote: post #432

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The relevant market here is the creators not the consumers. As a creator you have no choice but to accept whatever fees Apple, Google, Steam etc set. Or whatever rates Spotify pays you per stream. The fact you "could" host your own website is irrelevant when the reality is nobody will visit it.

> The relevant market here is the creators not the consumers. As a creator you have no choice but to accept whatever fees Apple, Google, Steam etc set. Or whatever rates Spotify pays you per stream. The fact you "could" host your own website is irrelevant when the reality is nobody will visit it. Collective action by the creators would help. All they have to do is dual-host (a fairly trivial matter, compared to organ…

> specify in their content that the competing platform charges lower fees.

Apple will ban you for this.

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Post by idiotsecant »

rubyfan wrote: post #472
saimiam wrote: post #455

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If a user almost exclusively uses the Patreon ios app to consume the artist’s content and likes to live inside the ios ecosystem for frictionless payments using the card on file/privacy/UX/whatever, then I feel apple should get to set the terms of engagement. If you were a chain store in a high end mall where customers cars were all parked for free by valets, mall staff knew their names, and generally made them feel…

I don’t think anyone suggests Apple should get nothing for their app store services, just that it shouldn’t be 30% of every transaction processed through every iOS app.

I think that is in fact exactly what GP is suggesting.

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Post by joshstrange »

mhitza wrote: post #203

Just stop publishing the app, not every little thing needs an app. What the use for the app anyway? Notifications and apple pay?

Clients and customers will not stand for this. I don’t agree but I’ve seen it enough times now it doesn’t surprise me. They want an app, doesn’t matter if you have an identical web-based version that does the exact same thing, they want an app.

I write cross platform apps using Vue/Quasar (previous Angular/Ionic, and before that Titanium), I have put up a web-based version of their app (as a fallback and as an early MVP) and it’s like pulling teeth to get anyone to even play with it. Then you put an app up on TestFlight and suddenly they are using it.

And that’s just trying to get the to use the web while I’m still setting up crap for a “native” app. The idea of not having an app is a non-starter.

Again, I don’t agree with them, I’m just telling you what it’s like out there if you are developing software for other people. An app brings “prestige”, they want be able to say “we have an app”. And no, saving a webpage to the home screen is not a viable alternative (trust me, I’ve tried). Clients and customers reject that and there are extra limitations with that approach (or there were last time I tried, around using the camera feed, things that work fine in mobile Safari).

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Post by amelius »

user34283 wrote: post #304
amelius wrote: post #283

I still can't believe developers love to work for this feudal overlord. They are building a wall around our profession. Have a little foresight and move your business elsewhere.

It's not so much that I love giving 30% to Apple, and more that there is no way to move your business elsewhere because Apple monopolizes mobile app distribution. And the other half of the mobile app market is monopolized by Google who copies the pricing model while delivering even worse (if any) service to developers. It's either getting out of mobile apps or paying up. This is not going to change without drastic st…

It's not just about making apps. Anything you do for this company is going to backfire at some point and hurt us.

This even includes developing open source tools for MacOS.

And even if it doesn't backfire it is largely a wasted effort.

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Post by Tepix »

mhitza wrote: post #203

Just stop publishing the app, not every little thing needs an app. What the use for the app anyway? Notifications and apple pay?

We really need to build more awareness for PWAs (Progressive web apps). Users (and developers) need to be educated on

- how to install them

- what advantages (and disadvantages) they have. In particular regarding censorship and privacy!

Apple and Google need to be pressured to make PWAs

- easier to install

- more capable

- less buggy (Mobile Safari in particular).

If your app's needs can be met with a PWA, you owe it to your users to offer one!

Here are a few PWA showcase links:

https://pwa-showcase.com/#/all-cards

https://whatpwacando.today/

And a lazy AI-generated list of things that PWAs can do today on top of the things a normal web page can do:

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/make-a-list-of-all-things-p...

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Post by debazel »

andy_ppp wrote: post #215
hahahahhaah wrote: post #214

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Or add a 45% apple tax afyer they click buy. E.g. costs $100, price comes up as.$100 with added apple tax as line item. total $145. Click here to avoid apple tax takes you to web page if allowed.

Not allowed. They ban your app immediately if you inform people they are robbing them!

This and the practice of forcing you to use same pricing on different platforms should just be made illegal and it would fix so much of this.

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Post by tclancy »

intothemild wrote: post #254
ethanrutherford wrote: post #23

Always hated apple for their putrid business practices. Add this to the pile.

The Services version of apple is the worst. Tim Cook might actually be the worst ceo apples had

The Nineties would like a word.
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