This is pretty amazing, but I wish they picked a better name for it. I have a feeling that a good amount of people will dismiss it just because of the name.
Better name "Birdie Num Num" . Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajMqhpCBPAY
BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp
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So why are you so angry at jordemort trying to push back?
Because their comment was self entitled and America bad.
Well next time I demand rights from my government as an American, I will consult a European first to ensure I am using the correct language =)
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#483Data BirdyChat collects: > Messages, attachments and other materials that you send through BirdyChat to your contacts; No thanks
How do you think they would offer a messaging service if they didn't store the messages and attachments? The content has to live somewhere.
it lives on the user’s phone?
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#484Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp
#485Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're confusing two different things, though I don't blame you for it, as it is confusing. "iMessage" is the OTT E2E-encrypted chat protocol. "Messages" note the lack of the leading "i" and trailing "s") is an iOS app that lets you send and receive messages using both the iMessage and SMS/MMS/RCS protocols. iMessage is not open, and Apple fights efforts by other companies (e.g. Beeper) to interoperate with it.
Ok then, Apple's Messages is interoperable, as you can communicate via SMS with its users.
You can communicate via SMS with users of WhatsApp too genius. Do you think it's encrypted in any way?
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#486> With the new WhatsApp interface mandated by the DMA, any BirdyChat user in the EEA will be able to start a chat with any WhatsApp user in the region simply by knowing their phone number. Unfortunately, as it's been implemented as opt-in on WhatsApp's side, this isn't really true. Honestly that decision alone means it's kinda dead in the water.
> any WhatsApp user in the region The regional limit makes it pretty much useless. The only reason I keep a whatsapp account is to stay in touch with my family in law and a few relatives who live in another continent.
I'm not sure what they mean by "in the region", but my case is even more extreme, as pretty much the only time I'm forced to use whatsapp is when I'm travelling and need to communicate with all sorts of hosts who annoyingly expect me to have whatsapp. After returning home I always delete it.
So I am usually "in the region" with those guys, but since "region" probably means "similar phone number" it will be useless to me too.
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#487Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp
#488Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Meanwhile, if you all use two apps, everytime you want to check up on a friend you have to check two apps. You just have to check the one they use. Also, both of the apps would support notifications when something has happened in that app. > But what if they don’t like it that much? There is no real advantage of WhatsApp over Signal except that some people are already using it, and a significant privacy disadvantag…
Everything is a trade-off. Signal trades some decreased convenience (for example in terms of backup) for some added security. Whatsapp has more “cosmetic” features (polls,…). If you value privacy over convenience and other features Signal is a great choice. If you value convenience and other features over privacy Whatsapp is a great choice. I think it’s safe to say that different people have different priorities whic…
> Signal trades some decreased convenience (for example in terms of backup)
This can't be a barrier to adoption in practice because most people don't even know that it's a thing in order to consider it as a difference, and anyone who both does and cares about it from the outset would have no trouble setting up automatic backups with Signal, and then appreciate the privacy advantage.
> Whatsapp has more “cosmetic” features (polls,…).
https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/9971667844506-S...
> If you value privacy over convenience and other features Signal is a great choice. If you value convenience and other features over privacy Whatsapp is a great choice.
There is no actual reason to use Whatsapp except for the network effect.
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#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EU is not a government. It's a loose economic confederation. And national European governments vary wildly in their positions on this.
It isn't an "economic confederation". It has a parliament, an executive, a judiciary, and a civil service. I would read the wiki page on the European Union.
The EU parliament can't propose laws, unlike any parliament in the world.
The executive is formed out of national government heads of state, which can veto everything.
Its judiciary and actually all 3 branches are strictly limited in their powers to powers delegated to them (which are weaker than the US Articles of Confederation).
The civil service is covered by the comments above.
In technical terms it is a government, in real life is is strictly limited, albeit growing. No country could operate with the "government" the EU has. France has several million government employees for about 70 million people while the EU has at most 50 000 workers for 450 million citizens).
This is a very complicated topic and I don't really apreciate the condescension inherent in sending me to Wikipedia.
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#490Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. Let's switch to an app with Russian connections that has actively refused to implement E2EE for over a decade now.
Russian connections is FUD and Telegram has E2EE encryption, but not by default.
Said E2EE is mobile only and completely unavailable in group chats