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Post by jen20 »

yowlingcat wrote: post #307
northzen wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's about the fact that AI can be used to extract value from other artists' work without consent, and then out-compete them on volume by flooding the marketplace. What do you think about The Prodigy?

I didn't even think about the analogy to sampling (and the prior controversy) but that is an even better analogy. Ultimately, the different between what's creative re-use and what's a ripoff is a matter of how skillfully it's done and there's a lot of controversy in the middle!

If you want to read the contemporary discussion of samping, the early 90s opinion columns of Sound on Sound magazine are worth a look.

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Post by joshcsimmons »

lol strange line in the sand to draw.

Izotope Ozone uses AI to mix and master - for some reason that’s okay but you can’t actually generate the sounds with AI? Or what if I generate the notes with AI then use my own synth presets is that allowed?

https://www.izotope.com/en/products/ozone

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Post by scoofy »

joshcsimmons wrote: post #482

lol strange line in the sand to draw. Izotope Ozone uses AI to mix and master - for some reason that’s okay but you can’t actually generate the sounds with AI? Or what if I generate the notes with AI then use my own synth presets is that allowed? https://www.izotope.com/en/products/ozone

I'd be like a bookstore banning "AI books." Like, yea, you can probably use AI in making your book and they'll sell it, but they're mainly targeting users who just happen to be publishing a book every single week, or day, or hour.

At a certain resolution it's not actually the artist doing the work.

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Post by AJ007 »

throwaway2046 wrote: post #311
cardanome wrote: post #42

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They are free to use AI and they are free to post their music on other sides that allow AI. I think you need hard rules to make it not completely subjective.

From the original post: We reserve the right to remove any music on suspicion of being AI generated. Sounds completely subjective if you ask me.

"Your band was formed after 2023, we will ignore you even if you aren't AI"

By the end of 2026 the AI/no-AI thing is debate is going to be dead because there will be no way to know the difference. This is almost true right now, it just is going to take the general public a while to catch up.

One distinction which could be made: I would like to see bands that are humans because I want to physically attend and enjoy concerts. If the "artist" has never played a concert I don't want to listen to them. Which expands a whole new grey area..

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Post by camillomiller »

BrokrnAlgorithm wrote: post #79

I'm a musician, but am also pretty amused by this anti ai wave. There was recently a post referencing aphex twin and old school idm and electronic music stuff and i can't help bein reminded how every new tech kit got always demonized until some group of artists came along and made it there own. Even if its just creative prompting, or perhaps custom trained models, someday someone will come along and make a genuine ar…

So you just want to be lazy and subsidize to the parrot machine the very essence of what it means to be creative. I am utterly baffled by this recurring comparison between past electronic tools, which actually have a pretty harsh learning curve to be mastered, and a software contraption that overtakes your creative agency. I see it everywhere, like comparing Midjourney to the shift to digital photography. What are y’all blokes on? How is it possible that even fine minds just lazily accept such a flawed parallel between two completely different technological paradigms?

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Post by camillomiller »

pousada wrote: post #209
nartho wrote: post #144

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The issue is not so much an artist that will use it as a tool, even though there is much to say about it, it's the hundred of thousands of people with no interest in music whatsoever, that will flood the platforms in order to make a quick buck.

People who won’t invest anything and just want to make a quick buck won’t be successful with AI generated content/music. You still need to invest significant time and effort to make it work.

LOL you clearly haven’t checked the flows of million-plus-views ambient music bullshit videos on YouTube

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Post by neonmagenta »

olivierestsage wrote: post #16

Funny to see this right now. Spotify's promotion of AI music bothered me so much that it has actually pushed me to Bandcamp and the practice of buying music again. It's really fun to build a collection knowing you're supporting the artists, download FLAC files, organize your little "collection" page ... Feels like a renaissance in my relationship with music, the most fun I've had since what.cd. Anyway, love this stan…

When I used to play, Bandcamp was always the most band/creator-friendly platform

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Post by somekyle2 »

munificent wrote: post #434
lukevp wrote: post #225

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And you create music without ever having heard music before? Or are you also extracting other artist’s work and using it as inspiration for what you do? AI music is the same as AI code. It’s derived from real code, but it’s not just regurgitated wholesale. You still as a person with taste have to guide it and provide inputs. Electronic music made it so you didn’t have to learn to play an instrument. Auto tune made it…

> Or are you also extracting other artist’s work and using it as inspiration for what you do? Yes, when I make music, I am taking inspiration from all of the other artists I've listened to and using that in my music. If someone listens to my music, they are getting some value from my contribution, but also indirectly from the musicians that inspired me. The difference between that and AI is that I am a human being wh…

100%. I think there are some clear distinctions between AI training and human learning in practice that compound this. Humans learning requires individual investment and doesn't scale that efficiently. If someone invests the time to consume all of my published work and learn from it, I feel good about that. That feels like impact, especially if we interact and even more if I help them. They can perhaps reproduce anything I could've done, and that's cool.

If someone trains a machine on my work and it means you can get the benefit of my labor without knowing me, interacting with my work or understanding it, or really any effort beyond some GPUs, that feels bad. And, it's much more of a risk to me, if that means anything.

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Post by greggman65 »

marknutter wrote: post #249
olivierestsage wrote: post #16

Funny to see this right now. Spotify's promotion of AI music bothered me so much that it has actually pushed me to Bandcamp and the practice of buying music again. It's really fun to build a collection knowing you're supporting the artists, download FLAC files, organize your little "collection" page ... Feels like a renaissance in my relationship with music, the most fun I've had since what.cd. Anyway, love this stan…

If you came across a song and fell in love with it, only to find out later that it was generated by ai, would you stop loving the song?

No. Just like Owl City isn't his real voice. If the song is good I don't personally care.

Most of the music I like is loops pasted together in some DAW. Sure, it requires taste to make a good song but if AI figure out how to replicate that taste can crank out catchy tunes I wouldn't have a problem with it. I can only guess though that too much of a good thing will lead to be getting bored with it ... maybe.

It's not like most pop music isn't formulaic. I enjoy the currently popular songs from K-Pop Demon Hunters but they're so cliche, if they turned out to be AI generated I wouldn't be surprised :P

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