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Post by b112 »

sejje wrote: post #466
b112 wrote: post #398

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There was a time when people were allowed to drive cars unlicensed. These days, that seems insane. As the traffic grew, as speeds increased, licensing became necessary. I think, these days, we're almost into that category. I don't say this happily. But having unrestricted access seems like an era coming to an end. I realise this seems unworkable. But so was the idea of a driver's license. Sometimes society and safety…

If I threw my license away tomorrow, what would be insane about me driving without a license? Are you saying "unlicensed" where you mean "untrained?"

The point of massive fines, and in some cases jailtime for driving without a license is control.

If someone breaks regs, you want to be able to levy fines or jail. If they do it a lot, you want an inability to drive at all.

It's about regulating poor drivers. And yes, initially vetting a driver too.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by fhennig »

jordanf wrote: post #461
q3k wrote: post #460

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It's (at least) common courtesy to declare potential conflicts of interest.

I would have if there were potential conflicts.

I personally find this information quite relevant to get the full picture and I'm glad someone else provided it.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by kzahel »

As an added bonus you could add on a mobile-first claude code UI on top of claude. I've been working on this and use it on my pi5 at home. https://yepanywhere.com/

(and no, this product is not against TOS as it is using the official claude code SDK unlike opencode https://yepanywhere.com/tos-compliance.html)

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by mpalmer »

oarsinsync wrote: post #451
mpalmer wrote: post #443

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I'll take this to mean that you think arbitrary access to a computer's capabilities will require licensure, in which case I think this is a bad metaphor. The point of a driver's license is that driving a ton of steel around at >50mph presents risk of harm to others . Not knowing how to use a computer - driving it "poorly" - does not risk harm to others. Why does it merit restriction, based on the topic of this post?

Your unpatched Wordpress install is someone else’s botnet host, forming part of the “distributed” in DDoS, which harms others. It’s why Cloudflare exists, which in itself is another form of harm, in centralising a decentralised network.

I would detest living in a world where regulators assign liability in this way, it sounds completely ridiculous. On a level with "speech is violence".

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by tech_ken »

fhennig wrote: post #106

I think it's great that people are getting into self-hosting, but I don't think it's _the_ solution to get us off of big tech. Having others run a service for you is a good thing! I'd love to pay a subscription for a service, but ran as a cooperative, where I'm not actually just paying a subscription fee, instead I'm a member and I get to decide what gets done as well. This model works so well for housing, where the…

My (admittedly a bit tinfoil) take on the recent self-hosting boom is that it's highly compatible with individualist suburban capitalism; and that while there are elements of it that offer an alternative path to techno-feudalism, by itself it doesn't really challenge the underlying ideology. It's become highly consumerist, and seems more like a way of expressing taste/aesthetics than something that's genuinely revolutionary. Cooperative services (as you describe) seem like they offer a way more legitimate challenge, but I feel like that's a big reason why they don't see as much fete-ing in the mainstream tech media and industry channels.

I say all this as someone who's been self-hosting services in one form or another for almost a decade at this point. The market incorporation/consumerfication of the hobby has been so noticeable in the last five years. Even this AI thing seems like another step in that direction; now even non-experts can drop $350+ on consumer hardware and maybe $100 on some network gear so that they can control their $50/bulb Hue lights and manage their expansive personal media collection.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by sejje »

b112 wrote: post #481
sejje wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I threw my license away tomorrow, what would be insane about me driving without a license? Are you saying "unlicensed" where you mean "untrained?"

The point of massive fines, and in some cases jailtime for driving without a license is control. If someone breaks regs, you want to be able to levy fines or jail. If they do it a lot, you want an inability to drive at all. It's about regulating poor drivers. And yes, initially vetting a driver too.

I don't really know any adults who don't drive, and nobody ever told me they weren't capable.

I don't think it's about driving ability, besides the initial vetting.

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Post by ibizaman »

fhennig wrote: post #106

I think it's great that people are getting into self-hosting, but I don't think it's _the_ solution to get us off of big tech. Having others run a service for you is a good thing! I'd love to pay a subscription for a service, but ran as a cooperative, where I'm not actually just paying a subscription fee, instead I'm a member and I get to decide what gets done as well. This model works so well for housing, where the…

What about self-hosting as a service? You get a server in your home which you own with your open source software and data in it. And you pay a subscription to have a remote sysadmin take care of maintenance for you and can train you on the software? What happens if you don’t pay anymore is you keep everything. But like a good insurance, you’d keep the subscription because of top notch customer service.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by epistasis »

tech_ken wrote: post #479
ryandrake wrote: post #13

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Maybe I'm dumb, but I still don't quite understand the value-add of Tailscale over what Wireguard or some other VPN already provides. HN has tried to explain it to me but it just seems like sugar on top of a plain old VPN. Kind of like how "pi-hole" is just sugar on top of dnsmasq, and Plex is just sugar on top of file sharing.

Managing the wg.conf is a colossal PITA, especially if I'm trying to like provision a new client and don't have access to my main laptop. It's crying out for a CRUD app on top of it, and I think tailscale is basically that plus a little. The value add seems obvious. Also plex is way more than sugar on top of file sharing; it's like filesharing, media management, and a CDN rolled into one product. Soulseek isn't going…

I use Tailscale for exactly those reasons, plus the easy SSL certificates and clients for Android and iOS.

From this thread, I've learned about Pangolin:

https://github.com/fosrl/pangolin

Which seems very compelling to me too. If it has apps that allow various devices connect to the VPN it might be worth it to me to trial using it instead of Tailscale...

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