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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by jcheng »

matt-p wrote: post #222
gpm wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the value proposition that has people pay Anthropic is that it's the best LLM-coding tool around. When you're competing on "we can ban you from using the model we use with the same rate limits we use" everyone knows you have failed to do so. They might or might not currently have the best coding LLM - but they're admitting that whatever moat they thought they were building with claude code is worthless. The b…

I think in fairness to anthropic they are winning in llms right? Since 3.7 they have been better than any other lab.

Arguably since 3.5, at least for coding and tool calling

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by jcheng »

dboon wrote: post #15

This is an unusual L for Anthropic. The unfortunate truth is that the engineering in opencode is so far ahead of Claude Code. Obviously, CC is a great tool, but that's more about the magic of the model than the engineering of the CLI. The opencode team[^1][^2] built an entire custom TUI backend that supports a good subset of HTML/CSS and the TypeScript ecosystem (i.e. not tied to Opencode, a generic TUI renderer). Th…

An engineer on my team who is working on TUI stuff said that avoiding the flicker is difficult without affecting the ability to copy/paste using the mouse (something to do with "alternate screen mode"). I haven't used OpenCode (yet) but Google does turn up some questions (and suggested workarounds) around copy/paste.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by RayVR »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

Why should anthropic open source Claude Code CLI? I understand you and some others want it, maybe it would be better for the community, but is it what’s best for anthropic?

Why should subscribers get your specific discount rather than what anthropic has calculated the discount should be?

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by zachncst »

mrbungie wrote: post #306
danmaz74 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More importantly, Anthropic should have open sourced their Claude Code CLI a year ago. (They can and should just open source it now.) "Should have" for what reason? I would be happy if they open sourced Claude Code, but the reality is that Claude Code is what makes Anthropic so relevant in the programming more, much more than the Claude models themselves. Asking them to give it away for free to their competitors se…

Well OpenCode already exists and you can connect it to multiple providers, so you could just say that the agentic CLI harness business model as a service/billable feature is no more. In hindsight I would say it never made sense in the first place.

Disagree, this is like terraform for Hashicorp. Give the cow away for free and no one will want to buy the milk. Claude code is a golden cow they should not give away.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by muppetman »

defrost wrote: post #269
BrouteMinou wrote: post #241

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All those people are on the drug they got on the cheap during the fun party nights. They are, or soon will be, surprised that the price is going to increase, and they are the only losers in that great story of theirs...

Was it the drug that killed River Phoenix, or the one that Edmund Hillary had in his veins ascending Everest? Greek philosophers pondered that question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijx_tT5lCDY

OMG I got this reference before I even clicked. Bravo. (we're old)

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by adastra22 »

baby wrote: post #353
adastra22 wrote: post #160

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You can though? https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/agent-sdk/overview

That's to build your own agent, similar to the openai agent sdk

How is that not what is being asked for?

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by cortesoft »

JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #456
cortesoft wrote: post #69

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No, you are paying to use Claude code… it uses the model underneath, but you aren’t paying for raw model usage. For whatever reason, Anthropic thinks this is the best way to divide up their market. They want to charge more for direct access to the model.

> No, you are paying to use Claude code Why would anyone pay a subscription for barebones LLM agent? You can beat that drum all you want, but you know it's bullshit. People pay the subscription for the AI, not the tool that consumes it. That tool being crap is why everyone started using third-party tools. The reason they are blocking third-party usage is they want developers to use only their models and no competitor…

Except if you pay the per-token rate, it will work just fine with the other tools. It is only the subscription that doesn’t work.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by mhast »

baby wrote: post #143
dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

Aren't you happy that you can use claude code unlimited for only 200/month? I don't really get your point tbh

Even at the Max plan it's not unlimited. IIRC they say the limit is something like 20x the $20 plan.

With "normal use" you're unlikely to hit the limit though, unless you only use the Opus model and do things in parallell.

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