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AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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Re: AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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Post by andrekandre »

thrance wrote: post #471
andrekandre wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not quite: its about accumulating capital yes, but also with private ownership (as opposed to collective ownership) and the use of said capital to gain more capital (investment returns put back into more investment) > renting stuff is more profitable than selling stuff maybe, maybe not, but it is usually more stable and predictable

Nope, you can have capitalism where the vast majority of the population is legally or economically barred from owning anything. The only private ownership required in capitalism is that of the means of production, which says absolutely nothing about the rest.

  > The only private ownership required in capitalism is that of the means of production
well, thats exactly what i was referring to ^_^

i agree, for personal property, you indeed could have capitalism and deny private personal ownership, and that is a worrying trend nowadays.

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Post by efreak »

Aachen wrote: post #254
ozim wrote: post #3

I guess somewhere this year having your own GPU might be cheaper than renting.

When was buying a device from the manufacturer not cheaper than paying a middleman to manage rentals of said device?

When you barely need said device, or you occasionally need many of said device. Not to mention you're renting more than just a GPU from them, you're getting the rest of the server too. I rent from runpod a handful of days a year (maybe a week or so total?) and I've estimate that I've spent at most $300 total in the last 2 years. - I get a 3090 or 4090, sometimes a 5090 or a pro GPU with 40+gb vram. (I have no dGPU). - Usually they have >100gb ram (my new PC has 64gb, the old one had 32gb) - 20-30 cores available (my new PC has 20, old was 4gb ddr2(!)) - 1-2tb of disposable nvme storage (my old PC didn't have nvme at all, my current PC has ~800gb free of 2tb) - fast network. I don't always test it, but I'm usually done downloading ~700gb of models in under 2 hours; locally this would take around 15 hours. - electricity is far cheaper in random east European/Asian City than it is in Los Angeles. Some GPUs cost less to rent than they do to run locally, never mind the cost of buying the GPU itself.

Paying runpod or vast or just about anyone else is _far_ cheaper than buying this hardware myself.

Re: AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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Post by nacozarina »

jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #160
muvlon wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how everyone arrives at that conclusion when the cost of the subscription services is also going up (as evidenced by the very article we're talking about). People who are renting are feeling this immediately, whereas people who bought their computers can wait the price hikes out for a couple years before they really need an upgrade.

Subscriptions have a "boiling frog" phenomenon where a marginal price increase isn't noticable to most people. Our payment rails are so effective many people don't even read their credit card statements, they just have vampires draining their accounts monthly. Starting with a low subscription price also has the effect of atrophying people's ability to self-serve. The alternative to a subscription is usually capital-i…

the best con of all is convincing ppl they need Hollywood in their lives to be happy

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Post by pojzon »

xvxvx wrote: post #12

- GPU prices rising - RAM prices rising - hard drive prices rising Are we looking at a future where home computers are replaced by thin clients and all the power lies in subscription services? ‘You don't need storage space, use our cloud subscription’ ‘You don’t need processing power, stream your games through our subscription service.’ Game publishers have already publicly floated the idea of not selling their games…

No we dont. Valve will make sure this subscription model will die in infancy.

And thank god for that.

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Post by samrus »

xvxvx wrote: post #12

- GPU prices rising - RAM prices rising - hard drive prices rising Are we looking at a future where home computers are replaced by thin clients and all the power lies in subscription services? ‘You don't need storage space, use our cloud subscription’ ‘You don’t need processing power, stream your games through our subscription service.’ Game publishers have already publicly floated the idea of not selling their games…

How does that make sense with this news that cloud gpu costs have risen? That would make the subscription services more expensive as well

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Post by happymellon »

Jeremy1026 wrote: post #340
SirMaster wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's OK data, but the average can be skewed high by some vastly inflated options that nobody cares about. Most people will pick a ram spec and buy whatever is the cheapest kit for that spec at the time. I think the best data view would be what is the cheapest available kit for each spec over time rather than the average price of each kit.

Wouldn't historical data also be inflated by the gold plated Monster branded RAM sticks too though? Making the now to then comparison, well, comparable.

Not sure I agree with this.

Something that skewed the market in the past, which is unrelated the the reasons the market is skewed now doesn't make a compelling comparison.

The reasons would lead to differing levels of market skew.

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Post by rldjbpin »

xvxvx wrote: post #12

- GPU prices rising - RAM prices rising - hard drive prices rising Are we looking at a future where home computers are replaced by thin clients and all the power lies in subscription services? ‘You don't need storage space, use our cloud subscription’ ‘You don’t need processing power, stream your games through our subscription service.’ Game publishers have already publicly floated the idea of not selling their games…

> Game publishers have already publicly floated the idea of not selling their games but charging per hour. Imagine how that impact Call of Duty or GTA.

Don't you worry! R* is already selling one (albeit optional) [1]. it is expected to be there from day 1 in their next title. perhaps this could become closer to reality once the current subscription becomes commonplace.

[1] https://www.rockstargames.com/gta-plus/benefits

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Post by Lammy »

supertrope wrote: post #449
Lammy wrote: post #405

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They've been planning this outcome for a long time. Here's Larry Ellison in 1997: https://youtu.be/Bk1_btV3oIk?t=402 “The personal computer was designed as a standalone device. There was no Internet around 1981 when the PC was invented. There weren't a lot of local area networks and corporations and schools and government agencies [online] back in 1981. The world has changed — there are networks everywhere; around th…

While businesses hate being a dumb pipe and love vendor lock in, lots of customers choose dependence on big tech. Each retail business that only has a Facebook page to save the cost of hiring a web developer reinforces this dependence.

Those people didn't chooso Big Tech; they chose the path of least resistance to getting themselves online and in front of as many eyeballs as possible, because Big Tech stacked the deck over many decades to make it that way.
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