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Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by RiverCrochet »

worik wrote: post #468
chowells wrote: post #459

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I mostly agree with your sentiment, but saying "math is not art" is the same as saying "writing is not art". Calculation isn't art. But math isn't calculation. Math is a social activity shared between humans. Like writing, much of it is purely utilitarian. But there's always an aesthetic component, and some works explore that without regard to utility. It's a funny kind of art, accessible to few and beautiful to even…

When it comes to art, description is after practice It does not matter if they are labeled "composer" or "director ". It is the product that counts. "....I know what I like"

Incorrect. Art is practice. It's literally what the word means historically. Put in "Etymology of the word 'art'" in your favorite search engine or LLM.

If someone is entering a prompt to generate an image in a model I have access to, I don't really need to pay them to do it, and definitely don't need to pay them as much to do it as I would an actual artist, so it is deceptive for them to represent themselves as someone who could actually draw or paint that. If the product is what counts then truth in advertising is required so the market can work.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by Applejinx »

arisAlexis wrote: post #329
latexr wrote: post #303

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> Calling the greatest and last invention of man There are several inventions which are far greater than LLMs. To name two: computers and methods to generate electricity, things without which LLMs wouldn’t have been possible. But also harnessing fire, the wheel, agriculture, vaccines… The list goes on and on. Calling LLMs “AI thingies” seems much more in tune with reality than calling them “the greatest invention of…

Am not talking about LLMs this is like making an argument about DC power. I am talking about inventing intelligence which is greater even than fire.

He did mean 'last', maybe don't steelman these arguments so dutifully?

Speak for yourself, friend. I don't believe you and think you're making a tragic mistake, but you're also my competition in a sense, so… you have fun with that.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by api »

caconym_ wrote: post #446
api wrote: post #383

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How much room for creativity is there with a camera? Angle, lighting, F-stop, film type, film processing? I have a local image generator app called Draw Things that has many times more options than this. Early synthesizers weren't that versatile either. Bands like Pink Floyd actually got into electronics and tore them apart and hacked them. Early techno and hip-hop artists did similar things and even figured out how…

> How much room for creativity is there with a camera? Angle, lighting, F-stop, film type, film processing? How many subjects exist in the world to be photographed? How many journeys might one take to find them? How many stories might each subject tell with the right treatment? > Serious AI artists will start tearing apart open models and changing how they work internally. They'll learn the math and how they work jus…

"AI art" today is mostly play, which is usually the first thing you get with new artistic tools. People just fool around with them in an un-serious way. There's also some porn. Porn is always early. It was one of the first uses for moving pictures, for example.

"The early adopters of new technologies are usually porn and the military." Forget where I heard that but it's largely true.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by xnx »

torginus wrote: post #133

It's somewhat alarming to see that companies (owned by a very small slice of society) producing these AI thingies (whose current economic is questionable value and actual future potential is up to hot debate), can easily price the rest of humanity out of computing goods.

The cure for high prices is high prices.

Datacenter RAM is heavily utilized. RAM in personal devices is sitting idle 99% of the time. Think of all the ram sitting in work laptops on nights and weekends sitting unused. Big waste of resources.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by heliumtera »

hansmayer wrote: post #321

I cannot stop thinking about the LLMs having this Midas touch quality, because everything they touch seems to ruin things or make people want to avoid them, for example: - Ghibli studio style graphics, - the infamous em-dashes and bullet points - customer service (just try to use Klarnas "support" these days...) - Oracle share price ;) - imagine being one of the worlds most solid and unassailable tech companies, losi…

>Where does it stop?

I think you explained it very well. For now all sorts of "creative finance" are being invented to give AI momentum. At the same time, some of us that have to work with this monstrosity for 10 hours a day are nauseated. The same feeling I had towards putrid technology is now extended to generative technology. I would rather fight and lose my job than call this intelligence of any form. It is a generative thingy. Was very enthusiastic in tabnine days. Used copilot since closed beta. Use it for 10 hours a day. I rather not use it, though. I have to use C#. Would kill not to use this bullshit anymore. Would never,ever, touch Microsoft without being paid. Feel the same about AI in general. Betting on AI becoming lame would be the safest bet I ever did. When I see someone worshiping generative technology I just know what to expect and then I leave. In some levels, opinions on generative technology are very similar to politics. Tell me how you interact with it and how you feel about it, I won't ever need to ask a second question. Now, I think this sentiment will inevitably arrive to the masses. Yeah, sure I am fatigued and most people don't have to deal with generative tools for 44 hours a week, but it will slowly creep. Tell me again how excited everyone is to fiddle with SAP, Oracle, Microsoft, react components, Vercel. The most shilled convenience of our timeline will become cringe, as always.

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Post by xgulfie »

yunwal wrote: post #424
xgulfie wrote: post #409

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> AI slop is to AI art what point and shoot amateur photography is to artistic photography. Sorry... It's all slop buddy. The medium is the message, and genAI's message is "I want it cheap and with low effort, and I don't care too much about how it looks"

For fun I decided to try out the find and replace on this comment > Sorry... It's all slop buddy. The medium is the message, and photography's message is "I want it cheap and with low effort, and I don't care too much about how it looks" Hmm... it seems like you have failed to actually make an argument here

For fun I decided to try out the find and replace on this comment

> Hmm... it seems like I have succeeded at making an argument here

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by marcosdumay »

torginus wrote: post #152
palmotea wrote: post #139

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> It's somewhat alarming to see that companies (owned by a very small slice of society) ... can easily price the rest of humanity out of computing goods. If AI lives up to the hype, it's a portent of how things will feel to the common man. Not only will unemployment be a problem, but prices of any resources desired by the AI companies or their founders will rise to unaffordability.

I think living up to the hype needs to be defined. A lot of AI 'influencers' love wild speculation, but lets ignore the most fantastical claims of techno-singularity, and let's focus on what I would consider a very optimistic scenario for AI companies - that AI capable of replacing knowledge workers can be developed using the current batch of hardware, in the span of a year or two. Even in this scenario, the capital…

> Even in this scenario, the capital gains on the lump sump invested in AI far outpaces the money that would be spent on the salaries of these workers

The yearly salary of knowledge workers in the US are about 10 times the public OpenAI investment to date, and in the entire world about 70 times...

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Post by robotnikman »

m_mueller wrote: post #174
palmotea wrote: post #139

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> It's somewhat alarming to see that companies (owned by a very small slice of society) ... can easily price the rest of humanity out of computing goods. If AI lives up to the hype, it's a portent of how things will feel to the common man. Not only will unemployment be a problem, but prices of any resources desired by the AI companies or their founders will rise to unaffordability.

and if you're unlucky to live close to a datacenter, this could include energy and water? I sure hope regulators are waking up as free markets don't really seem equipped to deal with this kind of concentration of power.

We are certainly seeing citizens wake up to it. There was a proposal for a new datacenter to be built near where I live which was to be voted on, and a large majority of the people voted against it. No one wants higher power and water bills.

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Post by yunwal »

sodapopcan wrote: post #432
yunwal wrote: post #424

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For fun I decided to try out the find and replace on this comment > Sorry... It's all slop buddy. The medium is the message, and photography's message is "I want it cheap and with low effort, and I don't care too much about how it looks" Hmm... it seems like you have failed to actually make an argument here

So fun. Photography is neither cheap nor low effort. Ask AI about it.

I literally just took a photo with my iPhone. So easy, took seconds.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by hansmayer »

racl101 wrote: post #461
hansmayer wrote: post #321

I cannot stop thinking about the LLMs having this Midas touch quality, because everything they touch seems to ruin things or make people want to avoid them, for example: - Ghibli studio style graphics, - the infamous em-dashes and bullet points - customer service (just try to use Klarnas "support" these days...) - Oracle share price ;) - imagine being one of the worlds most solid and unassailable tech companies, losi…

We need a word for a Midas touch except instead of gold everything turns to feces.

Absolutely, not to say "You are right!" :) The items touched by Midas were if nothing else, shiny and gold after all is a precious metal preserving its material properties for a long time...Whereas the stuff produced by LLMs...yes, quite resembles the key properties of feces, come to think of it. It is a simple meshup of whatever was digested over a timespan, it stinks, and it does not require special skills - anyone can produce one!
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