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Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

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Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

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For a hacker news article, it misses the crucial option - hacking a smart TV! I have LG OLED jailbroken using rootmy.tv, it was pretty trivial. It's basically a linux computer with a huge screen, you can customize it, SSH into it, map any commands to the remote, etc. Before I only used monitor, simple DP/HDMI input is all I wanted. But being able to take full control of the tv and connect it with other devices in the…

What’s the difference between that and just using the LG TV without any of the smart features? Like if you don’t connect it to the internet and only hook up something else through HDMI, isn’t it the same?

Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

#482

1. buy any model that meets your specs (i like TCL) 2. setup a one time use wifi network with randomized SSID and password (hotspot from your phone works well) 3. connect your tv to it and update to latest software 4. delete the wifi config and reset that network (roll to new SSID and password) 5. connect an apple tv set top box and never use any of the tv features ever again

Smart TVs are so user hostile now that this doesn't work for me personally anymore. Every TV I've seen recently always tries to get back to the "home" screen so they can funnel you into more ads and/or content that makes them money. If I have the TV set to the HDMI source for my connected HTPC, turn off the TV, and turn it back on again, it will be back on the TV's home screen. If I switch to an HDMI source that isn'…

Try TCL. I just got a second one after 6 years with a previous model of theirs that was showing signs of death. On both this new (Google-based OS) and old one (Roku-based OS), I have done the steps I mentioned above. I wouldn't have bothered typing that up if it didn't work.

Turning a HDMI device on wakes the TV and then it automatically selects that input. I've never been to the homescreen except by choice, and even then it is completely stock. Barebones, no ads - it has no internet to get any.

Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

#483

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A rooted piece of trashy IOT is trashy IOT. It's an acquired taste, the excitement of putting a black box insecure linux device on the home network to add to your home infra admin duties.

A rooted computer is the opposite of a black box. This makes no sense.

Rooting gets you additional means to reverse engineer the proprietary software system but doesn't automagically lighten the box.

It's all relative of course, maybe you view anything you can Ghidra as not-black-box. (though this is kind of tangential to rooting - for a many/most devices you can get a hold of the blobs to reverse engineer without rooting anything)

Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

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I have a toaster oven in my kitchen. It's a dumb thing with a bimetallic thermostatic switch, a simple mechanical timer (with a clockspring and a bell), and a switch to select different configurations of heating elements. The power-on indicator is a simple neon lamp. (It also certainly has some thermal fuses buried inside; hopefully, in the right places.) And, you know, it works great. It's simple to operate and (so…

> Why would a toaster oven (or indeed, just a pop-up toaster) that instead used electronic controls need the bar for safety to be placed at a different height? It wouldn't. It's a thought experiment. I even said: > Would the toaster be a better product if you could change the software? Of course. The point is, nobody should be compelling you to make your products hackable. If you don't want to, that's your prerogativ…

I want the law to compel you to make your products hackable. The GPL is often irrelevant for devices, the law is what matters.

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> Why would a toaster oven (or indeed, just a pop-up toaster) that instead used electronic controls need the bar for safety to be placed at a different height? It wouldn't. It's a thought experiment. I even said: > Would the toaster be a better product if you could change the software? Of course. The point is, nobody should be compelling you to make your products hackable. If you don't want to, that's your prerogativ…

If an author wants, they can leave out the "or any future version" verbiage. If the author does not, then they are explicitly saying that they want their software to be part of whatever future manifesto the FSF puts forth, including the anti-locked-bootloader manifesto present in the GPLv3. And that's why Torvalds left out "or any future version" when licensing Linux. So I'm not sure why he's "very mad" (I doubt he a…

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Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

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post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a toaster oven in my kitchen. It's a dumb thing with a bimetallic thermostatic switch, a simple mechanical timer (with a clockspring and a bell), and a switch to select different configurations of heating elements. The power-on indicator is a simple neon lamp. (It also certainly has some thermal fuses buried inside; hopefully, in the right places.) And, you know, it works great. It's simple to operate and (so…

> Why would a toaster oven (or indeed, just a pop-up toaster) that instead used electronic controls need the bar for safety to be placed at a different height? It wouldn't. It's a thought experiment. I even said: > Would the toaster be a better product if you could change the software? Of course. The point is, nobody should be compelling you to make your products hackable. If you don't want to, that's your prerogativ…

GPLv2 mandates user-modifiable devices too, according to Conservancy at least.

Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

#487

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that KDE revived the Plasma Bigscreen project. No idea on the ETA but assuming all goes well I can see it becoming my daily driver very quickly. https://plasma-bigscreen.org/get/

The problem with open source TV solutions like that is that they never support legal streaming platforms like Netflix, Disney+ and so on.

I think you got that backwards.

Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

#488

For a hacker news article, it misses the crucial option - hacking a smart TV! I have LG OLED jailbroken using rootmy.tv, it was pretty trivial. It's basically a linux computer with a huge screen, you can customize it, SSH into it, map any commands to the remote, etc. Before I only used monitor, simple DP/HDMI input is all I wanted. But being able to take full control of the tv and connect it with other devices in the…

Sadly, modern Samsungs use signed Tizen and there are no roots/hacks available! Shame.

Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

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I'm confused. Every TV is a dumb TV if you don't give it your Wifi password.

I think they, or at least samsungs. will happily use open wifi if they can find it. Source, my open test network and a neighbors tv that keeps trying to phone home with it.

I'm curious about that neighbor TV, do you have a model name or something if one would like to reproduce?

Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

#490

A while ago I had a discussion with my friends that it is possible that in the future if 5G is sufficiently cheap, smart tvs come with a 5G SIM so they can force ads and updates even if you refuse to connect it to WiFi. I wonder if this will ever be a real thing. Either 5G, 6G or whatever comes next.

I hope this happens, because with the security track record of these companies it would mean free Internet. These would quickly become web torrent video portals.

Wouldn’t they just limit the bandwidth per TV based on some hardware key?
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