Eventually going to end up in a landfill because no part is replaceable or repairable. And if the app/software support ends, it becomes an useless piece of plastic. No thanks.
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#482Earlier quoted context omitted.
The first article does not look to be informative; it values the EU smartphone market at around 465 million USD, which is impossibly low. If you assume a smartphone is valued at $1,000, a market of that size would only amount to 465,000 devices sold; this is around 0.01% of the EU’s population. The second article links to a paper which appears to be more informative (though it has not been peer reviewed): https://pap…
It is standard to list market size data in units of $1,000; i.e. that report is 465 billion USD.
Those numbers would be more realistic, amounting to around a thousand dollars spent per each EU citizen per year; this seems a little high if replacement rates are hovering around 3 years on average, but not impossible like the other figure.
What I don’t understand is why it would be written “USD 448.87 million.” This convention is common in accounting and finance as well, but they usually make an indication of it in a column header.
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#483Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you had read the post you would know the answer.
"This was tough to use while bicycling or carrying stuff." That seems an incredibly limited set of use cases for the complication of adding another device to one's life.
But you don't have to charge this one! (because you can't) :D
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#485Instead of a stand-alone piece of e-waste, how about this: a device with the same format (a ring and an button) but the only thing it does is trigger the pebble watch to start recording a message. This way the microphone isn't needed, just the radio (and much weaker radio at that), and the battery will last exponentially longer. Then just expose the charging terminals so that we can at least hack the device with cust…
Or better yet. Use your cellphone wich most of us carry 90% of the time?
That sounds like the perfect thing to do while I'm driving.
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#486Earlier quoted context omitted.
And this is why regulation exists, QED lol
Yes, a free market isn't the answer to everything. It will never optimise for sustainability unless this is a conscious consumer choice factor. It's way too important to leave it to that though. Hence regulation.
Just change the underlying economic incentives - but nobody is even barely there yet, except maybe the EU. Doughnut Economics, when are you going to save us (& the planet)?
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#487Regulation (EU) 2023/1542 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 July 2023 concerning batteries and waste batteries Article 11 Removability and replaceability of portable batteries and LMT batteries 1. Any natural or legal person that places on the market products incorporating portable batteries shall ensure that those batteries are readily removable and replaceable by the end-user at any time during th…
We regularly get contacted by people in Europe who want to buy our product, but we haven't been providing support due to the cost of certs, and other regulatory needs (medical/wellness device). We want to help people in the EU, but with laws like replaceable batteries, it's going to push us further and further away from being able to do that. Our product is designed to be refurbished, but not user-replaceable. At the…
BTW this also works the other way: I find myself to avoid US products more and more because they tend to come with inbuilt obsolescence, or, for digital products, with dark patterns preventing subscription cancelling.
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#488Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's an unfair representation of the situation. There's nothing about this device that implies "disposable". The EU is definitely the problem here. I think the problem is the EU loves legislating entrepreneurial creativity into the dirt.
Not having a replacable battery - a part that wears predictably and is critical to operation - makes this device disposable. There's more important things than "entrepreneurial creativity". Not everything that can make sense as a business plan makes sense for the world. We can survive without rings that allow us to mutter voice notes into our fists while walking around.
It does not have a rechargeable battery. I could even understand non replaceable in this form factor.
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#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We want to help people in the EU, but with laws like replaceable batteries, it's going to push us further and further away from being able to do that. We want to help people, but only if and when it’s profitable for us to do so on terms we decide for you.
> We want to help people, but only if and when it’s profitable for us If s/he is running a company and not a charity, this is responsible, understandable, and predictable.
Of course, but that makes "help" a weasel word. They want to be able to sell their product, that they possibly strongly feel will help the buyers.
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#490Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We want to help people in the EU, but with laws like replaceable batteries, it's going to push us further and further away from being able to do that. We want to help people, but only if and when it’s profitable for us to do so on terms we decide for you.
> A market doesnt want our products, we wont provide those products to that market. The terms seem at least, largely influenced by the laws euros seem happy with. Regulation has a cost.
e-waste also have a cost.
And regulations are here to make businesses internalize this cost instead of letting society as a whole pay it out.