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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by dxdm »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #453
mmaunder wrote: post #373

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Anger is a mind killer. Build software out of love. Love for engineering, innovation, creation, and love of working with people who feel the same way.

A righteous, passionate anger can be indistinguishable from love. Having and committing to something worth fighting over, however bloody the battles may be, can make a life just a meaningful as one that practices disciplined quiescence, reflection, acceptance, etc. Love is what it is because it must paradoxically accept its opposites; love can be anger, anger can be love. The real mind killer is a pat moralism! Thus…

> A righteous, passionate anger can be indistinguishable from love. ... love can be anger, anger can be love.

These are just word games. Blurring and mixing what we mean with different words. To say what? Passion takes different forms and can be a hell of a motivator? Nobody disputes that.

There's clearly a difference between anger and love. GP was addressing that difference and recommended to focus on the healthier of the two. That's good advice.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by marcelr »

brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

blaming framework on low quality software is a skill issue

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by sunnyday_002 »

CafeRacer wrote: post #306
sunnyday_002 wrote: post #98

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Surely you just need the workflow to not have embedded logic but call out to a task manager so you can do the same locally?

Well then why 99% of GH Actions functionality even exists.

It is fairly common pratice almost engineering best pratice to not put logic in CI. Just have it call out to a task runner, so you can run the same command locally for debugging etc. Think of CI more as a shell as a service, your just paying someone to enter some shell commands for you, you should be able to do exactly the same locally.

You can take this a setup furthur and use an environment manager to removing the installing of tools from CI as well for local/remote consistency and more benefits.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by culi »

verdverm wrote: post #44
p2detar wrote: post #34

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There have been complaints about it on Reddit as well. I registered an account recently and to me the annoying thing is the constant "making sure you are not a bot" check. For now I see no reason to migrate, but I do admit Forgejo looks very interesting to self-host.

https://tangled.org/ is building on ATProto 1. use git or jj 2. pull-request like data lives on the network 3. They have a UI, but anyone can also build one and the ecosystem is shared I've been considering Gerrit for git-codereview, and tangled will be interesting when private data / repos are a thing. Not trying to have multiple git hosts while I wait

3 of the most exciting decentralized GitHub alternatives being developed today:

  Tangled (2024, ATP)
  Radicle (2019, IPFS) 
  Codeberg (2018, Gitea fork which supports decentralized protocols)

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by venturecruelty »

veverkap wrote: post #446
venturecruelty wrote: post #425

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People who are unhappy with Zig are free to use something else and not engage with the community.

If he kept his comments within the Zig community and didn't go all over social media denigrating GH employees, you'd be right.

You're allowed to have negative opinions of GitHub employees on social media.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by npn »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #256
brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

I say this as someone who has been cautioning about Microsoft's ownership of GitHub for years now... but the Zig community has been high drama lately. I thought the Rust community had done themselves a disservice with their high tolerance of drama, but lately Zig seems to me to be more drama than even Rust. I was saddened to see how they ganged up to bully the author of the Zig book. The book author, as far as I coul…

> turned off by the constant Zig spam approach to marketing

? what? from my experience zig marketing is pretty mid. it is nowhere at the level of rust.

heck, rust evangelism strikeforce made me hate rust and all the people promote it, even for now.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by bastardoperator »

styanax wrote: post #145
brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by venturecruelty »

veverkap wrote: post #444
oaiey wrote: post #431

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He acknowledged. Linked in the article.

He hid the comments he made and apologized to the Zig community for his behavior. He never apologized to the people he harmed (the 'losers' at GitHub in this context).

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by serial_dev »

snerbles wrote: post #447
embedding-shape wrote: post #206

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Never understood that either. If someone was wrong and bad, and now they're trying to do right and good, we need to celebrate that. Not just because that's awesome in itself, but also to give the opportunity and incentives for others in the future to do better. If everyone is always bad regardless if they're trying to change, what incentives would they have from changing at all? It doesn't make any sense.

The incentive is less about morals and very much about self-preservation. With online mobs, when the target shows any sort of regret there is blood in the water and the sharks feast. It sometimes turns into a very public form of struggle session for the person under scrutiny. Besides avoiding the faux pas in the first place, one well-tested mitigation is to be absolutely unapologetic and wait for the storm to blow ov…

For what it’s worth, I found the original announcement childish and unnecessarily negative towards people working on the product (against their CoC which I found hilarious and hypocritical), and I find it refreshing that they updated the post to phrase their criticism much more professional.
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