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Re: The Junior Hiring Crisis

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Friendly reminder that, on a planet of eight billion (and climbing) people, many of whom live in places with too much heat and not enough food and water, not everyone has to have children. And that's okay.

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The math has a few problems then, because it seems rather difficult for me to have .1 child. Actually, it's impossible for me to have any children because I am a single man and it is not biologically possible.

Re: The Junior Hiring Crisis

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Guild members? Who else? You’re asking these rhetorical questions as if we haven’t had centuries of precedent here, both bad and good. How does the AMA balance between neurosurgeons and optometrists? Bar associations between corporate litigators and family estate lawyers? Professional engineering associations between civil engineers and chemical engineers?

> Professional engineering associations between civil engineers and chemical engineers? One takes the FE exam ( https://ncees.org/exams/fe-exam/ ). You will note at the bottom of the page "FE Chemical" and "FE Civil" which are two different exams. Then you have an apprenticeship for four years as an Engineer in Training (EIT). Following, that, you take the PE exam. https://ncees.org/exams/pe-exam/ You will note that…

So what you’re saying is that it’s a solved problem. If we can figure out how to safely certify both bridge builders and chemical engineers working with explosives, we can figure out a way to certify both React developers and those working on cruise missile flight control software.

Re: The Junior Hiring Crisis

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Guild members? Who else? You’re asking these rhetorical questions as if we haven’t had centuries of precedent here, both bad and good. How does the AMA balance between neurosurgeons and optometrists? Bar associations between corporate litigators and family estate lawyers? Professional engineering associations between civil engineers and chemical engineers?

You seem to be confused. The AMA doesn't control physician licensing. That's done by state medical boards. But are you suggesting we have separate licenses for every different type of developer? We have new types coming up every few years. The whole idea of guilds for developers is just stupid and impractical. It could never work on any long term or large scale basis.

Good catch on the AMA. I should have said medical licensing boards.

> But are you suggesting we have separate licenses for every different type of developer? We have new types coming up every few years.

I didn’t suggest that at all and I honestly can’t figure out how you came to that interpretation unless you are hallucinating.

> The whole idea of guilds for developers is just stupid and impractical. It could never work on any long term or large scale basis.

What a convincing argument! You should get a cabinet post.

Re: The Junior Hiring Crisis

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It's not that I don't like it. It's more that I think you're being lied to. Inequality has been going up in the US for a very long time, which means a lot of people are not being rewarded as much as they should. But they still buy into the system that is impoverishing them. The top 10% of income earners in the US account for 50% of consumer spending. LMK if you think that's part of the contract. https://www.marketpla…

"Inequality has been going up in the US for a very long time, which means a lot of people are not being rewarded as much as they should." The second part of your sentence is not necessarily true. It might be true in some or even many cases, but it's certainly not something you can just assert & move on, as if it's a physical law.

I'm just tired of re-litigating this issue. Discuss with your favorite frontier model. Roughly, productivity has been outpacing pay since the mid 1970s, and I wrote about this in another comment here.

There's just so much confusion here. Some people like you don't get why a world where a handful of billionaires own everything is a bad idea. Madness. I think nothing less than another depression will get through to most.

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The math has a few problems then, because it seems rather difficult for me to have .1 child. Actually, it's impossible for me to have any children because I am a single man and it is not biologically possible.

>it seems rather difficult for me to have .1 child.

Hence, the "on average". For any 10 couples, they should have 21 children. If some have fewer, the rest have to have more.

>it's impossible for me to have any children because I am a single man

Sounds like a "you" problem.

Re: The Junior Hiring Crisis

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This is a weird take. There are plenty of ways to build a meaningful life that don't involve writing code or slinging emails and powerpoints for a living. The guy I call to do plumbing work has several kids and does fine for himself.

Chances are he smokes or gets drunk or beats his wife or any combination thereof, or other similar activities. This can be said about any person who works as a plumber, construction worker, or similar, their whole life. And I am not blaming them, this appears to be the sad reality and the nature of our society.

> Chances are he smokes or gets drunk or beats his wife or any combination thereof

He is literally the nicest man I know, and smiles ear to ear when he talks about his kids. This says a lot more about you than my pipes guy.

Re: The Junior Hiring Crisis

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Uh, really no. That is some hard stereotyping being generalised on a platform with worldwide reach. You may wish to rethink what led you to that statement. Although, with that statement and others from you recently I'm guessing you have "lost your fucks and don't have any more to give" IE burnt out on it all. Good luck, I hope you get to a place where you can not rely rely on shortcuts like stereotypes so much and ha…

Yes, stereotyping. And? I said "chances are." What led me to that statement is my personal experience. Every time I go outside, I can smell somebody smoking weed on their porch. And it's not like it's the same person or the same porch. I can travel multiple kilometers and encounter multiple people doing that. So much for trying to get fresh air. Even without looking at any statistics, I am convinced that a very high…

Maybe you're just judgemental, and should take an inventory of your self. Frankly you seem like a miserable person.

Re: The Junior Hiring Crisis

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"Inequality has been going up in the US for a very long time, which means a lot of people are not being rewarded as much as they should." The second part of your sentence is not necessarily true. It might be true in some or even many cases, but it's certainly not something you can just assert & move on, as if it's a physical law.

I'm just tired of re-litigating this issue. Discuss with your favorite frontier model. Roughly, productivity has been outpacing pay since the mid 1970s, and I wrote about this in another comment here. There's just so much confusion here. Some people like you don't get why a world where a handful of billionaires own everything is a bad idea. Madness. I think nothing less than another depression will get through to mos…

Increased capital investment (e.g. software) could explain productivity not attributable to the employee.

On its face, productivity vs pay isn't a faor metric. I agree that problem exists, but we shouldn't use it to benchmark

Re: The Junior Hiring Crisis

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The math has a few problems then, because it seems rather difficult for me to have .1 child. Actually, it's impossible for me to have any children because I am a single man and it is not biologically possible.

>it seems rather difficult for me to have .1 child. Hence, the "on average". For any 10 couples, they should have 21 children. If some have fewer, the rest have to have more. >it's impossible for me to have any children because I am a single man Sounds like a "you" problem.

> Hence, the "on average". For any 10 couples, they should have 21 children. If some have fewer, the rest have to have more.

This would seem to agree with "not everyone has to have children" - mathematically speaking you can quite simply put a couple zeros into the equation and still arrive at 2.1

> Sounds like a "you" problem.

I have no problem with the situation at all as I have never in my life had an interest in having children. I'm not sure I even see the changes in birthrate as a problem; people can adapt to demographic changes. But if it is a problem, then it must be some sort of systemic one and I doubt the answer is to try and apply pressure to individuals to have children by telling them to think of the economy or that it is some sort of societal obligation.

Re: The Junior Hiring Crisis

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The biggest question that isn't being asked, "why is a university incapable of training a competent programmer in four years?" I'm quite sure I could take my cousin who has never heard the word HTML and get her to be a better programmer than the average CS graduate within 4 years of tutelage. Why is this the case? Four years is a very long time, and the universities are wasting that time. I'm certain any driven indiv…

I think the simple answer is you can't do this with most people. Bootcamps have tried for a while and mostly failed.

Are there four year bootcamps? Bootcamps also have much less stringent entry requirements. A student who is capable of meritoriously enrolling in a decent school e.g. Duke is, I think, capable of being an above average industry programmer in four years of instruction. It's something wrong with the instruction.
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