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Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by jeroenhd »

thewebguyd wrote: post #190
wiseowise wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First time I hear about Google tech being insecure or not private. Sure they siphon all the info THEMSELVES, but never have I heard about them implementing insecure protocols.

> but never have I heard about them implementing insecure protocols. That's because they don't. Google takes security seriously. There's a reason GrapheneOS is only supported on Pixel devices currently as well, because of certain hardware security features. Nothing you do with Google is private from Google but it's certainly designed to belong only to Google, your data is one of their most important assets. Of course…

> Nothing you do with Google is private from Google but it's certainly designed to belong only to Google

The same also goes for Apple, although Apple doesn't monetize your data as much so they collect less. They'll suck up all kinds of data out of your devices but will strictly protect that data from third party applications any way they can. They're also willing to use that protection to prevent interoperability or integration with third-party devices.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by gumby271 »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #450
gumby271 wrote: post #433

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That's what was confusing to me. It's one thing for Apple to add wifi aware by force, it would be another for them to completely reimplement Airdrop with it. I don't think they were required to do that.

They were required to drop AWDL, yes. They had to reimplement AirDrop. https://www.ditto.com/blog/cross-platform-p2p-wi-fi-how-the-...

So does Mac OS support Wifi Aware now? I didn't think so, which is confusing if Airdrop still works between iOS and Mac OS.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by zelphirkalt »

apitman wrote: post #460
zelphirkalt wrote: post #395

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AoE2 is not known for great network code, so I think the hopes for that specifically are pretty slim.

The irony is that the netcode is excellent now, but locked to proprietary platforms.

Is it really excellent? I mean, the game still FPS drops, when only one person in a multiplayer match is lagging. But maybe that could be attributed to engine problems, rather than network code issues.

The rest of the code seems not too great either, considering the humongous system requirements, compared to the historical versions of the game. If you ask me, they could have kept it 2D sprites and it would have been completely fine. But they had to go 3D ...

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by acedTrex »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #450
gumby271 wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what was confusing to me. It's one thing for Apple to add wifi aware by force, it would be another for them to completely reimplement Airdrop with it. I don't think they were required to do that.

They were required to drop AWDL, yes. They had to reimplement AirDrop. https://www.ditto.com/blog/cross-platform-p2p-wi-fi-how-the-...

They are not required to drop awdl, they just have to support wifi aware as well.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by dguest »

saubeidl wrote: post #253
layer8 wrote: post #146

This is based on Wi-Fi Aware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Alliance#Wi-Fi_Aware Some background: https://www.ditto.com/blog/cross-platform-p2p-wi-fi-how-the-... On the Apple side, this was prompted by the EU Digital Markets Act: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/questions-and-answe...

Thank you for the pro-consumer regulation, EU.

Crazy what those kooky Europeans do. Now if I have a friend, I can

- send a file to their phone

- charge their phone if they visit me [1] (without a huge bag of accessories)

- send them money [2] (without them giving some weird company their banking details)

- pay them [3] (even if they are from a neighboring country)

What will they think of next?! And to think, some of these things even work in the US. What a time to be alive.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Equipment_Directive_(202...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Num...

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by weberer »

sd9 wrote: post #416
kleiba wrote: post #363

It's amazing how seemingly trivial things turn out to be really hard to be in practice. Like: - sharing files between two phones - printing a page on that printer over there - getting the projector to display my screen (correctly, or at all) - getting my wife not to click on a link in a random email

I don’t understand why printing is still so difficult in 2025

If you're on a Linux or Mac computer which uses CUPS, its pretty easy.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by ricardobeat »

jmb99 wrote: post #291
ricardobeat wrote: post #256

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Waayy back in 2009 we had Bump [1], which allowed transfer between devices and later web apps as well – by banging your phone against the spacebar. It worked 98% of the time and was faster than AirDrop is today, even though we only had 3G. Google acquired it and immediately killed it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_(application)

I can almost guarantee it wasn’t faster than airdrop (when it works) is today. I remember using bump on wifi, and it was limited to (shocking) wifi speeds at the time. I have as recently as last week transferred 1GB video files in under 20 seconds using airdrop. That simply was not possible in 2009.

Connection speed, not transfer speed indeed – that was purely network dependent. In any case nobody was transferring 1GB files from their phones at the time :)

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by cowsandmilk »

jeroenhd wrote: post #471
shaky-carrousel wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were required to drop AWDL, yes. They had to reimplement AirDrop. https://www.ditto.com/blog/cross-platform-p2p-wi-fi-how-the-...

They weren't specifically required to drop AWDL, they were just required to implement WiFi-Aware in such a manner that neither technology had an advantage. In theory Apple could've maintained both, but that seems like a waste of development time to me. I doubt they would've had to implement any specific protocol if they had just opened up AWDL, but I suppose they'd rather keep that closed to maintain the ability to g…

> In theory Apple could've maintained both, but that seems like a waste of development time to me.

They need Airdrop to work with phones who haven’t upgraded, so doesn’t feel like a waste to me. And they already have working AWDL code, so it’s just maintenance, probably not a ton of work.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by kccqzy »

1718627440 wrote: post #465
keane wrote: post #184

Possibly relevant comment from a few years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26893693 >AirDrop also shares your full name (seemingly the one associated with your Apple ID, not what you have set for yourself in your contacts), both by displaying it in the sharing interface on the involved devices and by attaching it as an extended attribute to uploaded files. >So if you AirDrop some files to your computer and…

Do other file systems even support the extended attributes from Apple?

When you create a ZIP, the extended attributes are saved to separate files. When you copy them to a FAT filesystem they are also saved to separate files.
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