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I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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>Or, more cynical, reversed: I am convinced Mastodon will be a horrible platform if it grows to a size of e.g. twitter, reddit, and far, far worse if it grows to sizes of insta, tiktok, facebook etc. The thing is Mastodon isn't a platform like twitter, reddit, etc, it's a decentralized network of platforms. A few instances might become popular (like mastodon.social) and become a default for newcomers but there will a…

But these instances are part of the platform. Or, a better term, part of the system. So "doing their own thing" is very limited. Do "too much of it" and you'll be fediblocked. Too little of your own thing and you're essentially getting what the large instances dictate. Sure, your instance can e.g. block meta instances because it dislikes Facebook. But that doesn't isolate you from meta content completely - or even at…

You can do your own thing as much as you want, and choose with whom you federate, and others can do the same. That's just freedom of speech and freedom of association. Large instances aren't "dictating" anything to other instances. The point is you can't do that with Twitter or Facebook or even Reddit to the same degree. The fediverse will never have an Elon Musk trying to purge it of the "woke mind virus."

>And this doesn't even consider the numerous malicious practices that one can do (...)

Your argument here seems to be that because most instances are small, that makes them more prone to security issues. And that's true, but nothing you mention here is unique to the fediverse, and all of those risks are still greater with mainstream platforms even with their bigger security budgets and resources. People hack Facebook and Twitter all the time, and millions of people get their data stolen, and misinformation spreads like wildfire. In this regard being decentralized, smaller and able to defederate from malicious instances are features rather than flaws.

It is definitely a flaw in the fediverse that identity is tied to a url and so there's no way to validate an identity across instances, and it is trivial to impersonate someone by simply using their username elsewhere. I think Nostr got it more correct in this regard, and I don't know what could be done to mitigate this at a technical level.

But even then I think that at least the fediverse is a necessary step in the right direction.

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> A good principle in theory And especially in practice. > I am black as well I don't know that it gives too much legitimacy to the argument. There are ~~ 40 million black people in the US; lots of different ideas and perspectives. If I went by all the black people who try to shock me by saying they like Trump, he would have gotten 70% of the black vote. Frankly, lots of people online claim to be black after they say…

Yeah, basically I agree with mmooss. As a Black person, I don’t really care how weird, wrong, creepy, or exhausting other Black people are, I still feel more kinship and alignment with them than a random white person I don’t know. I can’t really stand white people writ large, but there are a ton of individual white people I love and adore. Because I know the difference between whiteness* and a white person. And yes,…

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> with whom I share probably like 97% similar views on just about everything That's exactly the problem, though. Political echo chambers with no diversity of thought ultimately cultivate the expectation that everyone must agree on every topic, at all times. As soon as you dare disagree with what the majority has decided is the "correct" opinion, you will be seen as the enemy.

3% variance on beliefs is way bigger than you think, and also he said “just about” everything, not everything. And you can have whatever opinion you want, but also be prepared for me to tell you that your opinion is stupid, and when you assert that a falsehood is in fact opinion instead of a lie, I will point out that facts are not opinions and opinions are not facts. Too many of y’all get this confused.

You seem like exactly the kind of person I was alluding to in my comment.

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> A good principle in theory And especially in practice. > I am black as well I don't know that it gives too much legitimacy to the argument. There are ~~ 40 million black people in the US; lots of different ideas and perspectives. If I went by all the black people who try to shock me by saying they like Trump, he would have gotten 70% of the black vote. Frankly, lots of people online claim to be black after they say…

Yeah, basically I agree with mmooss. As a Black person, I don’t really care how weird, wrong, creepy, or exhausting other Black people are, I still feel more kinship and alignment with them than a random white person I don’t know. I can’t really stand white people writ large, but there are a ton of individual white people I love and adore. Because I know the difference between whiteness* and a white person. And yes,…

I tend to agree -- but what kept me around that particular flavor of Black mastodon bullshit was of course, not the people -- but my personal belief that Mastodon is the smartest model for social media, and as such I choose to try to see what I can do in there. I think the world would be better off if everyone saw/believed that the thing we do with twitter would work VERY WELL if done on Mastodon.

Would not tolerate otherwise.

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It's not an "argument?" And if anything it's just more of a confirmation of your exact idea of being against a universal Black Person's Association. Which is to say, to some extent, innocently, people on all sides often DO have in their heads some-kind-of uBPA, and I just wanted to make sure that people knew that in the pure opinion (again, opinion) jrm4 very much thinks the Bad Space is very far from any putative uB…

I can imagine your point about it countering the uBPA perspective, but the comments feel more like what I said above. Are people that dumb about uBPA beliefs that they really need to know about one exception? I hope not. I worry that HN is too much an echo chamber itself: People criticizing perspectives like Bad Space supporters are commonplace here; the Bad Space people might never have space to make a serious argum…

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Do you have a plan for dealing with the clickbait problem?

I'm exploring various systems of community moderation. Right now experimenting with a "demote" button that people are encouraged to use on: disinformation, misinformation, propaganda, spam, and slop. Communities' default feed is just chronological, but it also has "Most Active" and "Most Recent Activity". Right now, Demote knocks things down the "Most Active" feed. Eventually, a high enough percentage of demotes woul…

interesting. I have the theory that most networks, and most social networks, are doomed to tolerate too much or too little deviance - sailing between 4chan Scylla or reddit Charybdis. I hope you manage to thread the needle!

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For real though. The moderation on this site is on point.

It's on-par with extreme moderation to the point where they will flag/mute whoever disagrees with them

Who, the mods? It's just not true. I would go as far as to say they don't mute people enough.

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It seemed like the point was to say they aren’t going to donate money to a project that doesn’t respect their right to free speech. Sure, an account could be made on a other instance, but that doesn’t change the mindset behind how the instance run by the maintainers is handled, which we can only assume will influence the project as a whole.

I’m always amazed at how little people on the internet understand the concept of free speech. Free speech has never meant that you can say whatever you want anywhere you want with zero repercussions.

I view these online platforms as the modern town square. If they are silencing people, that’s a problem in my book. Who is deciding what is acceptable? Who put them in change of what people are and aren’t allowed to say?

Provided the person isn’t breaking any laws by saying what they’re saying, leave the post up and they can get their repercussions, positive or negative, based on their post being available.

I know people like to take a hard line view and say a violation of free speech is only happening if the government is arresting you for what you say, but in my opinion it’s everyone’s responsibility. To have the privilege of free speech means one must also be tolerant to hearing things they don’t like from time to time. After all, free speech doesn't exist to protect popular opinion, it exists to protect the unpopular.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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A few years ago there were some "personalities" that very much agitated against Stallman. Without generalizing too much it is these people you probably should keep a very, very large distance to. Toxic is likely an understatement.

Oh, please. This sort of anonymous, hopelessly vague character assassination does not belong on HN. You have of course given no idea of which people you're objecting to. But the people I know who were upset at Stallman a few years ago had clear, specific concerns, and some of them were directly harmed by Stallman. If you would like to rebut their complaints, feel free to give it a go. Or you could also claim that the…

I do think this belongs on HN as a topic. This isn't a character assassination since I didn't name anyone. Quite the contrary, the character assassination was directed against Stallman and it was based on toxic slender and rumors and it even lead to consequences. If someone does feel addressed by my comment, I welcome that of course and perhaps it will lead to some self-reflection because I want to underline that it is strong criticism.
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