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America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom

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Re: America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom

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Post by iancmceachern »

bluGill wrote: post #375
iancmceachern wrote: post #168

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Exactly, I'm a mechanical engineer and I still have tools given to me by my machinist great uncle from WWII that are not only functional, they're identical to a new tool I'd buy today for that purpose, from the same manufacturer. This is the difference the OP was highlighting

Are those tools functional? Have you ever checked? I'm not sure what tools you are talking about, but likely some of them are measurement tools and they can seem to work perfect while giving the wrong measurement. Other might be cutting tools that cut, but they are a bit dull and if you don't know how to check you won't realize the cuts are not as good as new anymore (or maybe you have sharpened them and they now cut…

Yes, and yes.

They are things like: -Measurement tools that can be checked easily against Measurement standards (its taught as good practice to check this anyway each use) -files -transfer punches -feeler gages (again, easily checked) -bore gages -gage pins - 123 blocks - on and on...

Re: America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom

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Post by iancmceachern »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #398
bluGill wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are those tools functional? Have you ever checked? I'm not sure what tools you are talking about, but likely some of them are measurement tools and they can seem to work perfect while giving the wrong measurement. Other might be cutting tools that cut, but they are a bit dull and if you don't know how to check you won't realize the cuts are not as good as new anymore (or maybe you have sharpened them and they now cut…

> but likely some of them are measurement tools where and why did you come to this conclusion?

Why the but? Measurement tools are tools

Re: America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom

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Post by hansmayer »

bluGill wrote: post #375
iancmceachern wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, I'm a mechanical engineer and I still have tools given to me by my machinist great uncle from WWII that are not only functional, they're identical to a new tool I'd buy today for that purpose, from the same manufacturer. This is the difference the OP was highlighting

Are those tools functional? Have you ever checked? I'm not sure what tools you are talking about, but likely some of them are measurement tools and they can seem to work perfect while giving the wrong measurement. Other might be cutting tools that cut, but they are a bit dull and if you don't know how to check you won't realize the cuts are not as good as new anymore (or maybe you have sharpened them and they now cut…

> I'm not sure what tools you are talking about, but likely some of them are measurement tools

If you don't know something for sure, it's best to not make assumptions. We're not LLMs and don't need to spit out something confidently without understanding it.

Re: America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom

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Post by [deleted] »

dijit wrote: post #342
tclancy wrote: post #302

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There is a really interesting generation gap issue in the replies to your comment. What I perceive as younger people are horrified at the idea of fifty year old tools while the older folks are thinking (I imagine) “if the tools have lasted that long they must be well-honed and very good”. Of course, this could simply be the perspective of someone turning 50 this year.

To be fair, a lot of the tools we use as developers have 30-40 year heritage's themselves. The things that most people depend on and are in the background.

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Re: America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom

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Post by saubeidl »

beeflet wrote: post #443
saubeidl wrote: post #208

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EU regs will ensure that happens. They are a power projection tool. We've bent Apple to our will, we've made the whole world follow GDPR.

The world will bow down to mandatory cookie banners

Cookie banners are ePrivacy directive, not GDPR. GDPR is a lot more.

See here for all the rights it grants you: https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/i...

Re: America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom

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Post by [deleted] »

dijit wrote: post #342
tclancy wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a really interesting generation gap issue in the replies to your comment. What I perceive as younger people are horrified at the idea of fifty year old tools while the older folks are thinking (I imagine) “if the tools have lasted that long they must be well-honed and very good”. Of course, this could simply be the perspective of someone turning 50 this year.

To be fair, a lot of the tools we use as developers have 30-40 year heritage's themselves. The things that most people depend on and are in the background.

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Re: America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom

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Post by baggachipz »

hedora wrote: post #461
mullingitover wrote: post #44

The US spent decades transitioning from a manufacturing economy to a service economy, deliberately. Now there's a populist making political hay, throwing out numbers about trade deficits, which ignores revenue from services . Yes, there is have a trade deficit on goods, that was a long-term strategy because services were a superior investment. Manufacturing is an inferior way to make money unless you're planning to g…

The crazy thing is, due to coordinated propaganda campaigns, people don't realize that the Biden administration got people to invest in US factories at an unprecedented rate. Trump's already managed to scare off a lot of that investment, presumably because he wants to protect the trade deficit. Here's a graph of actual private investment money going into factories in the US since 1950. It proves my point: https://fre…

Biden was a relatively mediocre president (which I sure miss), but his administration was amazing for America. They laid the foundation for long-term prosperity, which is entirely squandered now. Such a shame.

Re: America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom

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Post by Spooky23 »

youngtaff wrote: post #418
nradov wrote: post #406

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The other 95% of the planet has mostly been relying upon the USA as the global hegemon to provide the security guarantees and financial infrastructure necessary for large scale free trade since the end of WWII. If the USA steps back from that then global trade networks will gradually break down because no other country or stable coalition has the desire or resources to step into that role. The situation will revert t…

Nope… the US has been relying on the rest of the world to fund it's deficit, provide land for military bases to project it's 'power'

There’s interdependence, which is a system that benefits the world and the US. The US taxes the world with inflationary currency, and most of the planet has been relatively peaceful.

Re: America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom

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Post by simgt »

varjag wrote: post #452
simgt wrote: post #307

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Citation very much needed ;) Even our current voting systems are far from being the best we can come up with in term of fairness. The population most certainly wants to remain in an environment humans can comfortably live in, somehow that's not what our democracies are selecting for these days.

I don't know what kind of citation you expect. It's clear that political participation was never more direct and organized than now in the age of social media. The fools and resentful who always were numerous have found a way to unite and bypass the establishment and educational filters which were effectively restraining politics before. All the cowards, short termists, wannabe dictators, conspiracists and anti-intel…

I'm not from the US and I'm not arguing that the current US gov wasn't elected fairly. It's not a law of physics that leaders of democracies do what the people want, they are selected by a system that was designed to estimate the preference of a population (more likely the preference of the ones who designed it). A democratic system designed differently would have a different outcome, there are good examples of what happens when the system favors consensus for instance [0][1], albeit not at the same scale.

[0] https://democracy-technologies.org/participation/consensus-b...

1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Convention_for_Climat...

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