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Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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I don't see the problem. It was an app specifically developed to help people evade American law and attack people who work for the government, how is it a shock that they took it down?

Apple maps tells you when you are near a cop on the highway in order to evade the law.

As does Google maps

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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And it won't affect their branding in any relevant way. As "Amusing Ourselves to Death"[1] would explain, what almost all Apple consumers want is just FaceBook, WhatsApp, memes and games. Anything else is "boooring!". We live in an Idiocracy[2]. Deal with it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

I've started buying refurb, and will be heavily considering my upcoming electronics purchases. I encourage others to reduce consumption from companies which kowtow to this dangerous administration's demands and rhetoric. I've been boycotting Amazon as best I can for nearly a decade though since they had ambulances outside their warehouses and delivery workers pissing in gatorade bottles but reducing consumption of to…

I like the thought, but AFAIK it doesn't really change the bottom line much, as long as you buy a used older product from a brand. Probably because the person selling it is buying a newer model, so you're still helping the company out.

I might be wrong, though. But this was the initial conclusion I arrived at when I was researching whether to buy an iPhone 17, iPhone 15 Pro (used) or Android phone. Only the last option would probably hurt Apple directly. And only a liiiiiittle.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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What purpose outside abetting in avoiding a DUI is there for publishing a live map of DUI checkpoints? I’m not questioning whether you should be able to do it. I’m really curious.

Here are some possibilities: * You don't want your trip to be delayed * You object to police checkpoints in principle * You or your friends or family have had negative experiences with law enforcement, so you prefer to minimize contact * You share a car with family members, one of whom smoked cannabis in it; the smell will result in an extended detention and investigation at a checkpoint * Your license/registration/i…

The last 3 are actual crimes. Sure they aren't DUIs, but I wouldn't list them as valid reasons to avoid checkpoints.

"I want to avoid interacting with the cops because I committed other crimes they might punish me for" is not a good argument.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#487

Well why do you need an app store for this? Can't you just ... I donnow ... create a webpage with OpenStreetMap integration?

I'm not saying it is the case, but considering other tactics employed by ICE, this sounds like something they could deploy as a honeypot to profile potential targets.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#488

Well why do you need an app store for this? Can't you just ... I donnow ... create a webpage with OpenStreetMap integration?

I'm not saying it is the case, but considering other tactics employed by ICE, this sounds like something they could deploy as a honeypot to profile potential targets.

Is that a difference from publishing an app on the app store?

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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post #483

This was the correct move from apple. Tools like this used to crowdsource location data of law enforcement can be used for malicious purposes.

As gets pointed out, that justification is post hoc; the argument wasn't made when the app was introduced, only after the ban. It's also leaning hard on "can be" and just letting the reader infer what "malicious" means. Clearly the intent is that protestors can show up to disrupt enforcement actions. Is that what you mean? If so, you should say so.

But it's also just plain overbroad: the same logic applies to Waze flagging of speed traps, which are also "crowd sourced law enforcement location data".

Basically this is bunk. The app got banned because the government doesn't want its enforcement actions disrupted by protestors, and whined[1] to Apple to coerce them into a ban.

[1] Plausibly threatened. It's not alleged here but they did it to Disney and Paramount already.

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