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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by timr »

hvb2 wrote: post #434
timr wrote: post #355

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In the plain text manner. To me the more relevant portion is this: > ...except for those aliens whose petitions are accompanied or supplemented by a payment of $100,000 Again, just doing a plain text reading, this seems to be intended to apply to new applicants, but they didn't explicitly spell it out. It's the sort of thing that would be debated endlessly in the rounds of legal review that accompany a...more traditi…

I read it as, it either was accompanied by a payment already or it has to be supplemented Where the supplement would obviously be for the existing ones

Except you have to ignore every prior word of the sentence I quoted to make that interpretation.

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Post by dotnet00 »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #246
slater wrote: post #238

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It is?

It's back now but it did vanish for a while.

Maybe the mods temporarily hide a thread to catch up on moderation if it's spiraling too quickly to manage.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

politician wrote: post #260
bmacho wrote: post #196

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I propose a new form of government. I call it "liberal democracy". The gist is that when liberals are in power they make sure that fascist never get in power again. (So it's not a democracy, only in name.) E.g. they can make fascism illegal, and don't allow them to run for seats. This has the following advantages: Over democracy: no danger for it to swing into fascism or autocracy. Over autocracy: bad governments can…

I'll bite. Do they get to decide what "fascism" means and change it to mean whatever they want on a whim? It might be simpler to just say that they can make whomever they don't like today illegal and don't allow them to run for seats.

Exactly. "fascist" is just another insulting word these days, like "motherfucker". Let's make motherfuckers illegal, and don't allow them to run for seats.

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Post by manco »

mystraline wrote: post #270

I'm going to keep banging on this website, of definitions of fascism. And also, for the time being, is also hanging in short form at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause Labor Power is Suppressed Rampant Cronyism and Corruption These are all elements of fascism, and is directly on display. We are living in a…

> Labor Power is Suppressed

Isn't this making labor more powerful since it's restricting competition from overseas?

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Post by malkia »

darth_avocado wrote: post #376
yibg wrote: post #335

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Not an expert but I think citizens of most countries still get benefits post retirement if they've crossed the 40 point / 10 year threshold, even if they're not in the US. At least for now, who knows if that'll change down the road.

This is correct. You’d get your social security if you worked for 10 years (you need 40 credits but can only earn 4 max per year, 1 credit for every $1810 of social security taxes you paid). I think most visa workers who worked 10 years on H1B will meet this criteria

Thank you both for the answers.

Some further googling led me to "totalization agreements" and then it's per country.

It looks like India (for example) may not have such an agreement, but say Austriallia has it. That to be said, it's all news to me, so might be completely wrong here

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timr wrote: post #439
JuniperMesos wrote: post #373

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People describe all of these countries as authoritarian for various reasons. Multiple Indian immigrants I have worked with in the US have expressed displeasure at authoritarianism in India today, which I find difficult to distinguish from just not liking Modi.

Few people actually know what "authoritarian" means, and are mostly just repeating things they've heard and intend to mean as "leaders doing things I don't personally like." A strict definition of "authoritarian" [1] doesn't fit the current US administration at all in many ways, since they've focused their attention on tearing down government, not building it up. In some ways they demand stricter enforcement of (pre-…

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Post by wussboy »

ponector wrote: post #240
penguin_booze wrote: post #208

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But remember: he was elected; by the people; for a second time . Let that all sink in.

Majority will choose dumb old convict instead of being ruled by woman.

It does make one wonder why the democrats insist on putting women and racial minorities forward as presidential candidates. Yes, it shouldn’t matter but it apparently really does and was that the hill we wanted to die on? Handing the presidency to Trump?

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Post by toephu2 »

ericmay wrote: post #127
omarqureshi wrote: post #83

This isn't a big deal for the larger tech companies other than a short term pain in the ass. This is a large net negative for 3 sectors that I can currently think of: - American (software) tech workers - Healthcare - Research / Postgrad Medicine and Research are fairly self explanatory, however, why the American software tech worker? Let's say you're Microsoft, you have large offices all over the world - instead of h…

Can you elaborate more on hiring and immigration in the United Kingdom and Australia with respect to similar skilled visa work? When you say South Asia could you expand on what specific countries you mean? I think South Asia could mean a few things to a few different people which is why I ask. > It means less focus in the US which eventually will just become sales and marketing only with perhaps some smaller departme…

When OP says South Asia they mean India.

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Post by yibg »

dotnet00 wrote: post #438
yibg wrote: post #328

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It's not surprising really. There needs to be an enemy group, one that some portion of the supporting population has some grievance against. First it's hispanics (illegal immigrants taking your jobs), then trans (men in womens washrooms), then Indians (taking your tech jobs), then it'll be some other group.

There are also the Chinese (stealing your technology).

Didn't mention that one because it was already used years ago. And also kung flu.

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Post by BobbyJo »

afpx wrote: post #388
duped wrote: post #212

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Immigration is great when it's done at the right pace. The pace of the last 10 years has been jarring. It's counterproductive at this point just because of the extra cognitive load alone. Can we take a 20 year break then start it back up slowly? And, economically, I think it'll be fine. Won't it be great for the rest of the world to share in the economic success of the US? I'm looking forward to a day when most natio…

Honestly, I agree quite a bit. The US and other countries have the same dynamic that FAANG does with startups, we put up the money to have anything worthwhile come in-house, which kills competition.

Please India/China/Europe, build tech empires to rival ours. We will all benefit.

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