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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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I was just at a conference today where one of the presenters referenced the "Trust barometer": https://www.edelman.com/trust/2025/trust-barometer According to that study, 23% approved of the statement "I approve hostile activism to drive change by threatening or committing violence". It's even higher if you only focus on 18-34 year olds. Full report here: https://www.edelman.com/sites/g/files/aatuss191/files/2025-0..…

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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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I was just at a conference today where one of the presenters referenced the "Trust barometer": https://www.edelman.com/trust/2025/trust-barometer According to that study, 23% approved of the statement "I approve hostile activism to drive change by threatening or committing violence". It's even higher if you only focus on 18-34 year olds. Full report here: https://www.edelman.com/sites/g/files/aatuss191/files/2025-0..…

"threatening or committing violence" could mean almost anything. It isn't hard to find evidence of people (especially young ones) equating speech with violence. I imagine that "I support assassination to drive change" would be even less popular.

If you read the linked pdf, “attack someone online” is a separate subcategory (27%)

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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History books can tell you facts that happened, but they can never truly tell you how it feels. I feel we're riding a knife's edge and there's a hurricane brewing in the gulf of absurdity. ==== Incidentally, I feel like this is why it is so hard to actually learn from history. You can read about the 1918 'Spanish' Flu, but you think "we're smarter now". etc.

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Targeted vs untargeted violence. The former almost always comes with a broader message to society at large.

A school shooter isn’t trying to say “shut down all schools”.

But a terrorist flying a plane into one of the most important symbols of your most important city is certainly trying to send your society a message.

Same with this killing

Think about how you would feel if some guys beat you and your friends up in a bar fight, vs someone individually stalking you and beating you up outside your own house. You got beaten up in both cases, but the bar fight beating will unlikely make you feel as vulnerable and scared to leave the house as being stalked and targeted individually

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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We are a society whose culture has become unmoored from the values that built it.

>We are a society whose culture has become unmoored from the values that built it.

What society are you referring to? And what values? I’m trying to gauge if you’ve looked in a history book ever.

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