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Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by barnabee »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #220
IshKebab wrote: post #116

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AI is a competitor. You know how StackOverflow is dead because AI provided an alternative? That's happening in search too. You might think "but ChatGPT isn't a search engine", and that's true. It can't handle all queries you might use a search engine for, e.g. if you want to find a particular website. But there are many many queries that it can handle. Here's just a few from my recent history: * How do I load a share…

I don't agree that ChatGPT gives an overall better experience than Google, let alone an actual good search engine like Kagi. It's very rare that I need to ask something in plain English because I just don't know what the keywords are, so the one edge the LLM might have is moot. Meanwhile, because it bullshits a lot (not just sometimes, a lot), I can't trust anything it tells me. At least with a search engine I can fi…

I’d rather use every LLM that can search the web (including whatever local model I’m currently running on my MacBook) over Google. I also prefer the results from Kagi (which I generally use), DuckDuckGo, and Ecosia.

I still don’t think a company with at least one touch point on such a high percentage on web usage should be allowed to have one of 2 mobile OSs that control that market, the most popular browser, the most popular search engine, the top video site (that’s also a massive social network), and a huge business placing ads on 3rd party sites.

Any two of these should be cause for concern, but we are well beyond the point that Google’s continued existence as a single entity is hugely problematic.

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Post by dev1ycan »

datadrivenangel wrote: post #112
xnx wrote: post #85

From the ruling: > Google will have to make available to Qualified Competitors certain search index and user-interaction data, though not ads data, as such sharing will ... The court, however, has narrowed the datasets Google will be required to share to tailor the remedy to its anticompetitive conduct. I don't like the sound of that. > Google will not be required to share granular, query-level data with advertisers…

What's shady about DuckDuckGo? And specifically, are they any worse than google or bing?

His tech lead at google told him that duckduckgo is shady

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Post by pas »

bediger4000 wrote: post #49
jonas21 wrote: post #46

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Do you not see ChatGPT and Claude as viable alternatives to search? They've certainly replaced a fair chunk of my queries.

I do not. I prefer to read the primary sources, LLM summaries are, after all, probabilistic, and based on syntax. I'm often looking for semantics, and an LLM really really is not going to give me that.

it's not syntax, it's data driven (yes of course syntax contributes to that)

https://freedium.cfd/https://vinithavn.medium.com/from-multi...

At its core, attention operates through three fundamental components — queries, keys, and values — that work together with attention scores to create a flexible, context-aware vector representation.

    Query (Q): The query is a vector that represents the current token for which the model wants to compute attention.

    Key (K): Keys are vectors that represent the elements in the context against which the query is compared, to determine the relevance.

    Attention Scores: These are computed using Query and Key vectors to determine the amount of attention to be paid to each context token.

    Value (V): Values are the vectors that represent the actual contextual information. After calculating the attention scores using Query and Key vectors, these scores are applied against Value vectors to get the final context vector

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Post by Bratmon »

lazide wrote: post #460
nerpderp82 wrote: post #348

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> significantly less confident that an LLM is going to be any good at putting a raw source like a court ruling PDF into context and adequately explain to readers why You should play with LLMs this week.

It’ll just link to some random unrelated court ruling.

If you think that's the case, you should really give current LLMs another shot. The version of ChatGPT from 3 years ago has more in common with the average chatbot from 50 years ago than it does the ChatGPT from today.

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Post by mort96 »

supernova87a wrote: post #56

By the way, a pet peeve of mine right now is that reporters covering court cases (and we have so many of public interest lately) never seem to simply paste the link to the online PDF decision/ruling for us all to read, right in the story. (and another user here kindly did that for us below: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.223... ) It seems such a simple step (they must have been using the rul…

> I would rather be able to see the probably dozens of pages ruling with the full details rather than hear it secondhand from a reporter at this point

And the reporter would rather you hear it second hand from them :)

I agree, online "journalists" are absolutely terrible at linking to sources. You'll have articles which literally just cover a video (a filmed press conference, a YouTube video, whatever) that's freely available online and then fail to link to said video.

I don't know what they're teaching at journalistic ethics courses these days. "Provide sources where possible" sounds like it should be like rule 1, yet it never happens.

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Post by holografix »

nwienert wrote: post #473
ehsankia wrote: post #383

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1. It might not be the best across all metrics today, but it definitely was a few years ago. 2. While it's true that other browsers like Firefox have been catching up to Chrome in speed, it's still true that Chrome help lead the way and if not for it, the web would've likely been far slower today. 3. There has been an explosion in other browsers in the past few years, but admittedly they're all chromium-based, so eve…

Safari has been better for going on 5 years now, funny thing is it was worse for long enough that it seems everyone, even to this day, refuses to believe it. Faster in basically every dimension. Supporting way more than FF in terms of specs. Way more efficient on battery. Better feeling scroll, better UI.

Agreed. Only thing lacking is the multi Google account/profile support

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Post by mort96 »

warkdarrior wrote: post #95
ElijahLynn wrote: post #81

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So true, I think it should be mandatory to put "sources:" as a consistently placed section in all "news" articles.

Google's AI summary includes links to sources: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+latest+court+rul...

We're talking about secondary sources (news papers) linking to primary sources (a PDF of the court ruling). You showed a tertiary source (Google search) linking to a secondary school (BBC).

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Post by tomcam »

chneu wrote: post #312
Hard_Space wrote: post #90

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> By the way, a pet peeve of mine right now is that reporters covering court cases never seem to simply paste the link to the online PDF decision/ruling for us all to read right in the story. I presume that this falls under the same consideration as direct links to science papers in articles that are covering those releases. Far as I can tell, the central tactic for lowering bounce rate and increasing 'engagement' is…

I don't read science/tech articles from major news outlets for this reason. They NEVER link to the papers and I always have to spend a few minutes searching for it. This doesn't happen nearly as often on smaller sci/tech news outlets. When it does a quick email usually gets the link put in the article within a few hours.

Would you mind naming or even… linking to a few such outlets?
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