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A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Yeah but its not made up money tho, meta(fb) must buy out stocks at certain point while its true that many of its would vested for period of time. it still cost them in the future what more embarrassing is that they do this to poach AI talent because they massively behind on AI races, like they literally still to the extend of king of social media (fb,instragram,whatsapp etc) they should do better given how much data…

I think you are under a misconception as to how this work. Let's say Meta wants to give this person 100M in stock, they don't have to buy 100M worth of stock when the option vests. What they do is, go into their accounting software and look at how many shares they have, let's call this amount X. And they will increase the total number of shares from X to X+Y where Y is worth 100M at current valuation. They never need…

Sure, but it's highly liquid stock in a publicly listed company. If someone asked me if I want 99M in cash or 100M in Meta stock, I would rather take 100M in Meta stock. That's how liquid it is. You seem to treat Meta stock as if it was some cryptocurrency with daily volume measured in thousands.

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Wonder what their contracts look like. Are these people gonna be grinding their ass off at the Meta offices working crazy hours? Does Zucc have a strong vision, leadership, and management skills to actually push and enable these people to achieve maximum success? And if so, what does that form of success look like? So far the vision that Zucc has outlined has been rather underwhelming, but maybe the vision which he s…

> " Does Zucc have a strong vision, leadership, and management skills to actually push and enable these people to achieve maximum success? " I suggest we saw a clear demonstration of that with the Metaverse and the answer is no, but more intensely than two letters can communicate.

I agree with you, BUT most of these AI folks have intrinsic motivation for this AI stuff that is on a whole different level compared to their motivation for building the Metaverse. So even though Zuck isn't particularly effective at motivating people or whatnot, these people will be motivated regardless.

Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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One way to make sense of this specific case at least. - He's on track to becoming a top-tier AI researcher. Despite having only one year of a PhD under his belt, he already received two top awards as a first-author at major AI conferences [1]. Typically, it takes many more years of experience to do research that receives this level of recognition. Most PhDs never get there. - Molmo, the slate of open vision-language…

> could be worth... Exactly. What's the likelihood of that?

It might make more sense to think of in terms of expected value. Whilst the probability may be low, the payoff is probably many times the $250M if their startup becomes successful.

Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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As LLM's get smarter and more capable on smaller and smaller computers Anthropic, Google, Grok, OpenAI, and Meta (is there an acronym, like FAANG, for the giant AI companies? MOGGA? GOMAG?) will have to get creative with profit-drivers, when consumers will have a very capable LLM built-in to their computing device(s), and it can easily be worth the cost to a business to invest in the computing power to provide on-dev…

MAGOG, certainly.

Oof. Rather on-the-nose.

Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Also, do you have a better way to spend that money?

downsize Facebook back to like a couple thousand people max, use the resulting savings to retire and start your own AI instead of doing the whole shadow artist "I'll hire John Carmack/top AI researcher to work for me because deep down I can't believe I'd ever be as good as them and my ego is too afraid to look foolish so I won't even try even if deep down that's what I want more than being a capricious billionaire"?…

Retire? Anyone with more than about 10-20 million that continues to work has some sort of pathology that leaves them unsatisfied. Normal people rarely even get to that level because they are too busy enjoying life. Anyone making billions has some serious issues that they are likely stuck with because hubris won't let them seek meaningful help.

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downsize Facebook back to like a couple thousand people max, use the resulting savings to retire and start your own AI instead of doing the whole shadow artist "I'll hire John Carmack/top AI researcher to work for me because deep down I can't believe I'd ever be as good as them and my ego is too afraid to look foolish so I won't even try even if deep down that's what I want more than being a capricious billionaire"?…

Retire? Anyone with more than about 10-20 million that continues to work has some sort of pathology that leaves them unsatisfied. Normal people rarely even get to that level because they are too busy enjoying life. Anyone making billions has some serious issues that they are likely stuck with because hubris won't let them seek meaningful help.

> Normal people rarely even get to that level because they are too busy enjoying life.

And that's why these "normal people" don't become insanely rich.

(just to be clear: the reverse direction does not hold: just a tiny fraction of such workaholics will become insanely rich).

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Dude, LLMs are a very sophisticated autocomplete with a few tricks down their sleeve. From that to AGI or Zuck's "superintelligence" is just light years... LLMs are a dead end for "intelligence". We are talking about the promises of the same crop of people who brought you full Autopilot on Tesla (still waiting since 2019 when it was supposed to happen), or the Boring Tunnel, the Metaverse, and their latest products a…

"LLMs are a very sophisticated autocomplete with a few tricks down their sleeve." "Nuclear power plants are a very sophisticated steam generator with a few tricks down their sleeve." These things are both just as true and just as informative.

Nuclear is actually a great example. It's a major scientific accomplishment but pretty much the least cost effective method of energy generation. Nuclear allowed us to generate huge amounts of energy to waste on whatever we like when the real focus should be on massively decreasing energy demands. But of course that doesn't make anyone money.

Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

#488

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Yeah but its not made up money tho, meta(fb) must buy out stocks at certain point while its true that many of its would vested for period of time. it still cost them in the future what more embarrassing is that they do this to poach AI talent because they massively behind on AI races, like they literally still to the extend of king of social media (fb,instragram,whatsapp etc) they should do better given how much data…

I think you are under a misconception as to how this work. Let's say Meta wants to give this person 100M in stock, they don't have to buy 100M worth of stock when the option vests. What they do is, go into their accounting software and look at how many shares they have, let's call this amount X. And they will increase the total number of shares from X to X+Y where Y is worth 100M at current valuation. They never need…

This is plain wrong AFAIK. You can't just print Y stock on a whim because that would dilute shareholders.

Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Everyone has a price. Mine is a hell of a lot lower than $250M, and I would bet half of that that yours is too.

No amount of money (or torture) can make me work for Meta, Palantir or Amazon.

Mmm.

Threats of violence might get me to work for any of them; and I don't think I hate Amazon enough to do more than just not use it; but if I were somehow important enough to get a call from Zuckerberg, my answer would be "Meta delanda est", no matter how many digits or how cash-based the proposed offer was.

But I'm not important enough to be noticed, let alone called.

Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Openrouter data is skewed toward 1) startups, 2) cost sensitive workloads, and generally not useful as a gauge of enterprise adoption

But those are just the sort of cases that are more likely to switch to the latest, greatest and cheapest when they come around. The fact that even these haven't become winner takes all is a strong signal that these models have sticking power.

No because more than half of open router is character chat and writing ad copies… so it’s not indicative of the important use cases
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