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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by codedokode »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #475
e1g wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a founder/CTO of an enterprise SaaS, and I code everything from data modeling, to algos, backend integrations, frontend architecture, UI widgets, etc. All in TypeScript, which is perfectly suited to LLMs because we can fit the types and repo map into context without loading all code. As to “why”: I’ve been coding for 25 years, and LLMs is the first technology that has a non-linear impact on my output. It’s simult…

> I’ve written millions of lines of revenue generating code This is a wild claim. Approx 250 working days in a year. 25 years coding. Just one million lines would be phenom output, at 160 lines per day forever . Now you are claiming multiple millions? Come on.

100-200 lines per day, written, debugged, tested and deployed, is normal performance, isn't it? I think I could do it if worked for 8 hours.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by AJ007 »

dostick wrote: post #354
AJ007 wrote: post #238

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Pretty easy to hit $100 an hour using Opus on API credits. The model providers are heavily subsidized, the datacenters appear to be too. If you look at the Coreweave stuff and the private datacenters it starts looking like the telecom bubble. Even Meta is looking to finance datacenter expansion - https://www.reuters.com/business/meta-seeks-29-billion-priva... The reason they are talking about building new nuclear pow…

Why “no capitalism required”? Competition of this kind is only possible with capitalism.

Unfortunately it's called war and it appears to be part of human nature.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by rvnx »

mindwok wrote: post #474
warmedcookie wrote: post #245

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Are they? Cursor's Accept / Reject feature for each change it makes in each file is nice whereas I have to use a diff tool to review the changes in Claude Code. Also, if I go down a prompt alley that's a dead end, Cursor has the Restore Checkpoint feature to get back to the original prompt and try a different path. With Claude Code, you had better have committed the code to git, otherwise you end up with a mess you d…

None of these features are very deep though, there’s dozens of OSS clones for them already.

RooCode/Cline, etc

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by cpursley »

reasonableklout wrote: post #401
warmedcookie wrote: post #245

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Are they? Cursor's Accept / Reject feature for each change it makes in each file is nice whereas I have to use a diff tool to review the changes in Claude Code. Also, if I go down a prompt alley that's a dead end, Cursor has the Restore Checkpoint feature to get back to the original prompt and try a different path. With Claude Code, you had better have committed the code to git, otherwise you end up with a mess you d…

Gemini CLI uses a shadow git repo and commits after every change, won't be long before Claude Code has that too.

That’s a neat idea!

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by AJ007 »

DANmode wrote: post #445
shinycode wrote: post #414

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It’s definitely easy with an API key I hit 200$ in an evening. I didn’t think that could be possible. Horrifying

To be clear, this is a lot of full-scale reading and (re)writing, without any rules, promots, "agents"/code to limit your resource usage, right? Nobody's asking for $200 in single-line diffs in less than a day - right?

Right, this is having Claude Code just running as an agent doing a lot of stuff. Also tool use is a big context hog here.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by ohdeargodno »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #475
e1g wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a founder/CTO of an enterprise SaaS, and I code everything from data modeling, to algos, backend integrations, frontend architecture, UI widgets, etc. All in TypeScript, which is perfectly suited to LLMs because we can fit the types and repo map into context without loading all code. As to “why”: I’ve been coding for 25 years, and LLMs is the first technology that has a non-linear impact on my output. It’s simult…

> I’ve written millions of lines of revenue generating code This is a wild claim. Approx 250 working days in a year. 25 years coding. Just one million lines would be phenom output, at 160 lines per day forever . Now you are claiming multiple millions? Come on.

Uh... Totaling +1000 at the end of a work week is an easy thing to do, especially if working on a new/evolving product.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by adidoit »

adamoshadjivas wrote: post #76
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Agreed on everything. Just to add, not only anthropic is offering CC at like a 500% loss, they restricted sonnet/opus 4 access to windsurf, and jacked up their enterprise deal to Cursor. The increase in price was so big that it forced cursor to make that disastrous downgrade to their plans. I think only way Cursor and other UX wrappers still win is if on device models or at least open source models catch up in the ne…

Not sure this is true. Inference margins are substantial and if you look at your claude code usage it's very clever at caching

  Input │      Output │  Cache Create │     Cache Read
 916,134 │  11,106,507 │   199,684,538 │  2,767,614,506
as an example here's my usage. Massive daily usage for the past two months.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by old_man_cato »

khurs wrote: post #429
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

>What does Cursor/Windsurf offer over VS Code + CC? A lot of devs are not superstar devs. They don't want a terminal tool, or anything they have to configure. A IDE you can just download and 'it just works' has value. And there are companies that will pay.

A lot of engineers underestimate the learning curve required to jump from IDE to terminal. Multiple generations of engineers were raised on IDEs. It's really hard to break that mental model.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by iwontberude »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

I don’t see how there will be any money to be made in this industry once these models are quantized and all local. It’s going to be one of the most painful bubble deflations we have ever seen and the biggest success of open source in our lifetimes.
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