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Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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LordNerevar76 wrote: post #369
kgwxd wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Belief is acting as if something, for which no evidence has been given, is true. Imagination, taken too far. No one is telling you to believe anything here, they're suggesting we search for clues to support or disprove a theory. Or don't, it's up to you.

That's not the definition of belief. Belief can have various levels of different kinds of evidence behind it. Scientific, historical, philosophical, experiential, etc. A belief could have more or less scientific evidence than other beliefs, but rarely is belief predicated on no evidence whatsoever.

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Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Post by timonofathens »

randomtoast wrote: post #445
afarah1 wrote: post #196

Interesting read, but even if we assume the author is correct, and the cosmos formed as a black hole in a larger universe, the question remains, how did this larger universe formed, then? Might just be impossible to know.

Questions like what was before the big bang or what is outside of our universe seem to be quite natural. However, we still don't know if these questions are well defined and have a proper meaning. For instance, a few hundred years ago, one might have asked, what happens if I go to the edge of the (flat) earth? Or one might ask: What is north of the north pole?

> What is north of the north pole?

I really like this analogy for "what is outside of our universe", thank you

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Post by kgwxd »

wolfhumble wrote: post #468
kgwxd wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, not many people these days like to hear senseless drivel, hence the failing churches.

Have you visited a church lately? You might like it. I for sure, do!

I too like to read fiction, and play role playing games, occasionally. I just don't make real-world decisions based on the DM's chosen lore.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Post by lutusp »

Jensson wrote: post #460
lutusp wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Our universe is expanding. It's density is not fixed. > None of that precludes uniform density at large scales. According to observation, the universe is expanding. An argument that it's really static at a large scale would require contradicting observational evidence, but none exists. A theory that requires abandoning observational evidence bears a special burden, which this theory lacks.

Black holes are capable of expanding, they do it by eating material from outside.

The universe's expansion, and a black hole's increase in mass over time, are unrelated phenomena. We could have one without the other. In fact, because of Hawking radiation, in the far future we might see a larger universe accompanied by smaller black holes.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Post by quantum_magpie »

graemep wrote: post #411
n2d4 wrote: post #71

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Yea, and it was a great read too. I wish more researchers would publish blog posts alongside their technical whitepapers, although I acknowledge that not everyone involved in science has or wishes to acquire the skills needed to write blog-form content. (I'd also be worried about a world where researchers are evaluated based on the virality of their blog posts, vs. how impactful their work was.)

I think the benefits greatly outweigh any dangers. I far prefer to read something like this than something written up by a journalist. > I acknowledge that not everyone involved in science has or wishes to acquire the skills needed to write blog-form content. They should. If your research is publicly funded you should make it as available to be public as possible. Academics should be able to communicate, and I very m…

>They should. If your research is publicly funded you should make it as available to be public as possible. Academics should be able to communicate, and I very much doubt they are unable to acquire the skills

So in addition to being:

-professional researchers

-professional teachers

-professional project managers

-professional budget specialists

-professional scientific writers

-a failed idea away from losing it all

They should also become:

-professional PR managers

-professional popular writers

While still being paid (poorly) for a single job of all of these.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Post by kgwxd »

LordNerevar76 wrote: post #369
kgwxd wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Belief is acting as if something, for which no evidence has been given, is true. Imagination, taken too far. No one is telling you to believe anything here, they're suggesting we search for clues to support or disprove a theory. Or don't, it's up to you.

That's not the definition of belief. Belief can have various levels of different kinds of evidence behind it. Scientific, historical, philosophical, experiential, etc. A belief could have more or less scientific evidence than other beliefs, but rarely is belief predicated on no evidence whatsoever.

Do I really have to include the exact definition of every word I ever use? You know damn well I'm talking about blind faith and scientific evidence. And you know damn well OP is completely dismissing a theory because they're confusing it with a demand for blind faith. I don't care what people want to believe, but if they start labeling things incorrectly, I'm going to point it out.

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Post by rendaw »

n2d4 wrote: post #71
carbocation wrote: post #24

I think it's neat that this summary is written by an author of the scientific manuscript. Oversimplification is a risk, but this approach eliminates the possibility that the writer did not understand the underlying science.

Yea, and it was a great read too. I wish more researchers would publish blog posts alongside their technical whitepapers, although I acknowledge that not everyone involved in science has or wishes to acquire the skills needed to write blog-form content. (I'd also be worried about a world where researchers are evaluated based on the virality of their blog posts, vs. how impactful their work was.)

Communication skills are often missing in engineering too, but I think I'd argue they should be required - all work is fundamentally collaborative.

Being able to effectively communicate to different people on your team, outside your team, managers, business people, etc is not optional and more than once I've seen things get stalled or turn into a mess because communication didn't happen.

STEM is often a haven for neurodivergence but I think communication skills are something that is largely learned and not something that comes naturally for everyone. People who are good at communicating spend a fair amount of effort rewriting, trying different wordings, different introductions, getting feedback from people, etc.

FWIW I see things like being able to sell a proposal, managing expenses, planning, etc as optional - these are good to have, but someone else can do them if you can communicate well, but in the end the only person who can communicate what you're thinking is you.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Post by graemep »

quantum_magpie wrote: post #485
graemep wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the benefits greatly outweigh any dangers. I far prefer to read something like this than something written up by a journalist. > I acknowledge that not everyone involved in science has or wishes to acquire the skills needed to write blog-form content. They should. If your research is publicly funded you should make it as available to be public as possible. Academics should be able to communicate, and I very m…

>They should. If your research is publicly funded you should make it as available to be public as possible. Academics should be able to communicate, and I very much doubt they are unable to acquire the skills So in addition to being: -professional researchers -professional teachers -professional project managers -professional budget specialists -professional scientific writers -a failed idea away from losing it all T…

They should not being doing a lot your first list, and should have specialist help available for some of the rest.

I am not suggesting they become PR managers, and the writing skills I am suggesting they acquire is simply that required to do things like blogging. I am not suggesting they achieve the standards a professional writer would have, just the ability to write clearly and make the effort to do so.

Academics should be highly skilled people.

In fact a lot of the problem is not they cannot do it, but of distribution. A lot of universities to have academic blogs and subsites about departments and individuals research. Its not anything like as visible as the journalists write ups about it

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Post by 47282847 »

47282847 wrote: post #434
hshshshshsh wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life is one omnipotent being. It's just ego, thoughts and social identity that creates the illusion of multiple beings. But ego and names are made up. Separation just thoughts. The more life believes in thoughts it becomes divided. But the waves and ocean are one.

An illusion is something that disappears when you see behind it, no? How goes it for the illusion of the both of us being connected but separate beings? I think at the very least it would require consent of both parties to merge, so as long as I don’t believe it, you have to live as a being separate from me, and as such it stays „an illusion“ for you that we are one; merely an idea, a potential option maybe, no? You…

(Alone, all-one)

If we merge, by definition the „I“ and „you“ have to die; both of us stop existing. The merger creates something new, a „we“. A single entity. We can then use the definition of identity to call this new we „I“. Rinse and repeat until back to being alone/all-one?

Do you really want to be all-one? Omnipotent, full of all potentials/possibilities? I don’t know. I am already overwhelmed with my limited human potential/possibilities/options. And I prefer to not be alone. I prefer to stay separate, and keep my identity.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Post by ordu »

Hmm... What if some matter falls into our black hole? I know there are some weird time-space effects on the boundary, which I do not have any intuition about. To my knowledge it may be, that it will never fall in our time frame, or that it have fallen all already. The question is, will we able to see and welcome new matter entering our Universe?
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