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Re: Material 3 Expressive

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I'm not sure we're talking about it because it was successful, I think we're talking about it because the design document for it was insane: https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell...

What is the point of branding but to be remembered? It worked!

lol no it did not https://www.voronoiapp.com/markets/Dr-Pepper-Ties-Pepsi-as-A...

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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As someone who works in UX, I admire all the work the Google UX team puts into Material: tons of documentation, UI kits, theme generation tools, a lot of thinking on systematizing the color combinations, etc. However, this article has a lot of "Pepsi Logo" vibes ( https://www.scribd.com/document/541500744/Pepsi-Arnell-02110... ). I never confirmed if this was a hoax, but it was made into many news websites at the tim…

> However, this article has a lot of "Pepsi Logo" vibes So wildly successful that we're all still talking about it even though they don't even use that logo any more?

Being infamous is not the same thing as being successful.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Things that are utterly lost in modern software design: information density, and even more importantly, consistency. It feels like every interface wants to tuck features away offscreen to be accessible only by scrolling, swiping, or behind a "flow" of several screens, each of which may have a surprising popup, redirect, call-to-action, or totally different layout owned by another team. The swipe/scroll accessible features aren't indicated in any way, you either have to know about them a priori or be tutorialized. What elements are clickable/tappable and their interactive areas are often unclear. Input types are represented inconsistently (checkboxes vs radio selectors, drop downs, sliders). Button locations for standard actions are shuffled from screen to screen. Even basic OS features on Android phones are like this. How do you access quick settings? Well, you pull down the notification shade all the way from the top of the screen with a swipe, which mostly shows your notifications but also reveals some buttons and knobs. Then you swipe down again, which this time doesn't pull down a shade, but transforms those knobs into a different set of more expansive knobs and sliders and also hides your notifications. Oh, also that first slide down might not work and only serve to temporarily show the OS status bar, if the screen you're on right now is set as immersive or something. In that case you need to do one swipe down to reveal the status bar, then quickly follow up with another for the mixed-use kindof-notification pulldown, then a third time to transform that into the screen where you can change your brightness.

I want a new design language that places consistency above all else. I should be able to accurately predict what a tap or swipe is going to do based on the information on my screen. I do not want things to pop up unexpectedly or change positions or hide themselves without my input. Computers are tools, and their users need to be able to develop mastery of them. The current thrust seems to revolve around ensuring constant surprise and novelty.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Couldn't agree more. It's basically a page with some pictures in it, and everything in it loaded so late for me that initially I wondered why they left so many large empty spaces in the page. This could work and be fast with tech from at least 20 years ago, probably even more. It's really incredible this is output from a company valued in trillions.

Indeed. Google is the worst at designing around lazy loading. Their UIs in Drive, Youtube Music, and others essentially become unusable once the list gets long. God forbid you don't have a super low latency connection straight to the data center. Even holding open a web socket to fetch "next pages" doesn't cut it in most of the real world. If you're gonna lazy load (which I admit sometimes does make sense) you need t…

If you hate how Google Drive works get excited about searching in the new Outlook. Nothing like being able to not sort your search results and only getting 200 at a time and having to page through them when the search returns anything useful at all.

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The cursor being captured when hovering buttons is the worst UI I've seen in a very long time

It's what iPad does when you use a mouse. https://web.archive.org/web/20200602200001/https://www.apple...

It sucks on there too. Thankfully it can be toned down/disabled there.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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As someone who works in UX, I admire all the work the Google UX team puts into Material: tons of documentation, UI kits, theme generation tools, a lot of thinking on systematizing the color combinations, etc. However, this article has a lot of "Pepsi Logo" vibes ( https://www.scribd.com/document/541500744/Pepsi-Arnell-02110... ). I never confirmed if this was a hoax, but it was made into many news websites at the tim…

> By contrast, Apple, which is often praised for its product aesthetics, never makes marketing content like this about its design language

I clearly remember the Jony-Ive-hagiography era, which I assume was organized by Apple PR/marketing. Perhaps it's more accurate to say Apple doesn't do this anymore.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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What is the point of branding but to be remembered? It worked!

lol no it did not https://www.voronoiapp.com/markets/Dr-Pepper-Ties-Pepsi-as-A...

I'm not talking about the company's effectiveness in selling sugar-water with the branding attached; I'm talking about the branding's effectiveness at being remembered. A person wants to criticize some unrelated UI design and the very first thing that comes to their mind is “lol this reminds me of The Gravitational Pull of Pepsi!!”. It will live forever.

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Macbook air M1 scrolls text in Firefox fast and smoothly...

“then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration”

I don't know what graphics acceleration mean in this context, but my 5-year old computer, with 4 Gb of RAM and no discreet graphics card didn't witness any lag.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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I know you aren't supposed to comment on it, but man, you just never know what will set people off on this site, and god knows they won't tell you. Are people bothered that I chimed in to say "works for me" or that I insinuated Fennec F-Droid is usually less smooth than the Webkit-based mobile browsers? I'll never know for sure. Sometimes with Hacker News, whether a comment is actually well-received feels like a dice…

My naive guess is that it's a null hypothesis situation. You not seeing a problem isn't a useful indicator for if there is a problem. More than that, it probably hits too close to home for mostly software devs, with the dreaded "Well it works on my machine."

Must be something like that. More than anything, I'd love to know why Firefox seems to be winning on this page; practically the opposite of what you'd expect out of Google pages (because, even without a tinfoil hat on, it's clear they don't test on Firefox often). Maybe uBlock Origin is just cutting out some poorly-written script, who knows.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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> By contrast, Apple, which is often praised for its product aesthetics, never makes marketing content like this about its design language. It may present creating emojis as a huge feature or inflate some of its claims a bit, but in general, they let the product do the talking. On top of that, when Apple makes a change or does a redesign, it's usually not overly disruptive (new macOS settings aside). The core functio…

> it's usually not overly disruptive (new macOS settings aside). The core functionality and layouts remain more or less the same ios 18 photos app?

True, even Apple has been slipping lately too, particularly with apps.

At least the core OS hasn't gone through a reinvention yet.

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