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Trump's Tariffs Wipe Out over $6T on Wall Street in Epic Two-Day Rout

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America is the richest country in the world. That is the payback. Yet somehow the working class is screwed. People don't want to admit wealth distribution is the problem because that would make them "communists". It's an emotional response. I'm scared how far they take it.

"People don't want to admit wealth distribution is the problem because that would make them "communists"." If you are referring to taking wealth by force from people that earned it and giving to people that didn't earn it, yes it's 'communist'. There's nothing emotional about a methodology that has failed over and over again.

Politicians should just come out and say this to the people. Oh you can't afford a house? Oh you cant afford healthcare? But we are the richest country in the world. And the system is fair. It means you didn't earn it. Duh.

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Nope. The rider to the “clean cr” took care of that contingency. https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hres211/BILLS-119hres211r... - see page 4

OK but they still just need a majority in the house to undo that? And that is assuming that silliness isn't smacked down in the courts forcing them to hold a vote anyway.

It’s more that it absolves them from having to hold a vote to continue the “emergency”. I believe the emergency act requires congress to vote to continue the emergency after a certain number of days.

But the republicans know that would be embarrassing to hold a public vote to do so- so they sneak in shit like this, to continue to be cowards since they’re too scared to publicly endorse the cruelty.

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My best understanding of the administration's psyche is that they're determined to have more manufacturing happen in the US - regardless of the economic impact. It still doesn't make sense though - there's a reason sneaker makers like to have kids in places like Vietnam make shoes for a few cents per hour. It's because no one in the US would work gruelling hours for such little pay! POTUS wants to 'level the field' b…

They used to work that way in the US! Then came the labor protections. Labor conditions are a prisoners dilemma. Individuals in a location can’t really choose to opt out of poor labor conditions if that is what exists there. That is why it took a lot of activism in America to change the labor conditions. So right now we are exploiting people in places that don’t have the same protections. The comparative advantage of…

Yes, that's why Florida is considering bringing back child labor - https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/25/business/florida-child-labor-....

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A simple but profound idea that has stuck with me from the days when I religiously listened to The Macro Tourist's podcast: who's on the other side of the trade? In order for AAPL to drop 7% today, someone of course had to agree to sell their shares at a price that is 7% lower than yesterday's. But perhaps more interesting, someone else agreed to buy the shares at that price. Who's buying here and who's selling? Who'…

Some people have an obligation to sell (option contracts must be honored, ETFs must be rebalanced, etc.) and this creates liquidity.

Some people also have a lower risk tolerance (or want the money to put into something with more predictable returns like say treasuries) and want out now.

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You know the craziest thing about watching this as an outsider in Canada is that we as a nation are losing one reliable trading partner (and obviously losing an ally but that's another conversation). Germany - losing a trade partner. Japan? And so on. But the US has lost 180 reliable trading partners. You're already seeing in the first week burgeoning trade alliances between nations who wouldn't have cooperated befor…

Very well put. Alliances take years to build but can be broken in just days. I'm tempted to think (hope? dream?) that the markets and trade will rebound if all this chaos makes American politics swing back towards an interest in global stability, but I think anyone partnering with the US would do so VERY carefully and right now the entire world is plotting how to remove US dependencies.

The people who voted for these policies have to feel a sufficient amount of pain from them to be sure they won't just vote for them again as soon as they get the chance. Most people who voted for Trump in 2024 would vote for him again if he ran for a 3rd term. Nobody can consider America a reliable partner until that isn't a laughable possibility again.

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In reality, Canadians have bravely fought and died for American interests in the Middle East. Don’t take any of this as my personal view, or as a repudiation of the interpersonal camaraderie that Americans, by and large, still feel with Canadians (although I understand it’s no longer universally reciprocated). However, as a matter of industrial economic reality, NAFTA likely benefited Canada more than it did the US,…

>What barriers are there to an independent Canadian defense industry? A defense industry is intertwined with a industry for civilians, for example in aeronautics. Certain nearby trading partners have historically stymied attempts to maintain such an industry.

On the contrary, NAFTA supported Canadian industry! Auto, agriculture, energy, you name it.

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This is an inherently political subject, but I would appreciate a dispassionate argument explaining how this could be even remotely good for the U.S.'s economy in a way that is light on MAGA ideology and doesn't simply claim the overwhelming majority of economists are dumb. I'm simply not seeing even a glimmer of a possible upside right now. I see even less possibility of an upside for those of us North of the border…

I think in theory it forces the middle class to buy American due to tariffs, which builds a more sustainable lower class at the expense of the middle and lower upper classes. I think it’s still an overall net negative (dramatically) that sees us become overall poorer and less influential, but I would guess there will be more factory sorts of jobs.

If American made prices did not increase too match tariff adjusted foreign made prices that logic would hold. But we know from recent and not so recent history - American made prices some increase, even if they are not impacted at all.

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It also depends on what you think people want. Do they want a vast array of cheap consumer goods and entertainment, or do they want more affordable basics, like housing, cars, and healthcare? If you go by PPP alone, the US is already in second place [0]. PPP is a horrible metric, but I’m not sure GDP per capita is any better. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PP...

More competitive US manufacturing wouldn't lead to more affordable basics, would it?

Arguably it would. Not my argument, but just listen to any of Bessent’s thinking on the topic.

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This is an inherently political subject, but I would appreciate a dispassionate argument explaining how this could be even remotely good for the U.S.'s economy in a way that is light on MAGA ideology and doesn't simply claim the overwhelming majority of economists are dumb. I'm simply not seeing even a glimmer of a possible upside right now. I see even less possibility of an upside for those of us North of the border…

It's clearly not good for the US economy, but I think that is a red herring. This has been so far, and continues to be, a highly successful endeavor from the perspective that matters: that of the US president himself, who wants to benefit personally.

I think it's helpful to ask "What if this president actually doesn't care one way or the other what happens to the US economy, the world economy, or even geopolitical stability (beyond the US not getting nuked, causing him to die), and everything is just a grifter's instinct for how to benefit personally?"

In that light, literally everything this administration does makes perfect sense.

This is a man whose main accomplishment before the presidency was "being famous" — starring in a reality TV show and professional wrestling (the fake/scripted kind), and he clearly wants to be the center of attention in the media.

Although his tariffs are widely mocked by knowledgeable people as "insane", "stupid", or as the Financial Times put it, "one of the greatest acts of self-harm in American economic history", imposing them gives the man himself the opportunity for corruption on a scale unprecedented in modern US history.

He can easily (very easily) benefit financially and otherwise because heads of state, captains of industry, and the ultra-wealthy have to come to him to beg, flatter, or do something — buy his memecoin, rent out his hotels, buy his otherwise-failed social network for billions, the list is near-infinite — to get out from under his tariffs.

So I don't think there is any upside of the kind you are talking about. But there is substantial upside for the man himself, and it is enough to explain all of his actions.

They only seem nonsensical if you believe he is trying to act in the best interests of the nation.

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