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FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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No I'm arguing that moving him from one house to another is something the Chinese govt could assist with.

So what's the end game? They're being hunted by the FBI I don't think Trading Spaces™ is going to get this guy out of trouble

Exactly...nobody knows what the actual end game is at this point. So all the hyperbolic speculation is ridiculous.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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So how do we know there is a court order?

You seem to be coming from the assumption that checks and balances requires granting random outsiders full transparency into the court docket during the investigation phase. That’s not how it has ever worked, because it would tip off those being investigated. Our system allows for challenging the government’s right to execute a search after the search has happened. And it isn’t open to random interlopers who think th…

Okay, so I'm not allowed to see the court order because I'm a random outsider, got it. What about the family of the person? What about their lawyer? Why can't they see the court order, or if they have seen it why can't they say so?

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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post #473

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Wait... so you effectively said "there's no holocaust going on" and I pointed out one and you accidentally brought up another ... and I'm wrong still? What? No. All the saber rattling doesn't mean you were correct in implying there is no holocaust going on

> Wait... so you effectively said "there's no holocaust going on" I said the opposite, there are literally multiple genocides going on. They make a fair bit of noise. There is lots of evidence of them if you care to look. They all have well sourced Wikipedia pages. It isn't possible to wipe out a people and not have others quickly notice what is going on.

Thanks for your patience, I clearly misunderstood your previous comments

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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I'm sorry that you think your goalposts are the only valid goalposts. I can assure you that the fascists in power don't care about your goalposts. For me the only goalpost that matters is trump trying to remove these protections. If you don't think he'll start removing natural born citizens after asking to do so, then I'm not sure there's anything point continuing this conversation. The fact that they are even trying…

I asked a straightforward question, à la the Socratic method, in order to allow the one making the claim to justify their position, à la Russell's Teapot. If you were not willing to answer the question from the beginning then you shouldn't be responding to me and wailing about "moving goalposts". My "goalposts" have been consistent since my first question - answer that question, please. If you wish to make your point…

>The current administration have proven they do not care about any of these things. Even natural born citizens are now under threat.

This is my original comment. You are moving goalposts where you want them to be. My comment is specifically about how this administration is threatening natural born citizens by trying to remove protections they've always had, and here you are seeming to say they aren't because no natural born citizens have been deported yet. You're simply just being an internet troll.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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So what's the end game? They're being hunted by the FBI I don't think Trading Spaces™ is going to get this guy out of trouble

Exactly...nobody knows what the actual end game is at this point. So all the hyperbolic speculation is ridiculous.

Hold up, let’s not pretend these ideas are all equally feasible.

Spies do flee countries. People do get disappeared. The idea that China has a presence on US soil helping criminals evade the FBI is a *conspiracy theory*.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Obviously not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_servic...

You clearly didn't read this Wiki (Wiki is not a source BTW) because it says basically the opposite of what you're implying. Same goes for everyone in this thread talking about Chinese police on foreign soil. The "CCP Police on foreign soil" aren't extracting people from the West so they can avoid persecution from the West. They're pressuring Chinese citizens to go back to China to face punishment for crimes China th…

You added the part about exfiltration from the country. It is possible he has been kidnapped by Chinese secret police in the country and remains in the country (at least until they manage to coerce him to return "willingly".) Anyway, nobody said anything about witness protection either, that part was your hallucination too.

By the way, before you get yourself all worked up, I think the much more likely possibility is that he has disappeared for a mundane reason, such as murder, or else he has deliberately disappeared himself for some reason.

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Moreso than spying, sounds like a long time US-based researcher suddenly had a reason to commit immediate espionage. Believe everyone can put together the type of events that cause sudden behavior changes like that. (Hint: money offers or family threats)

It's all the same to me but that's often how it goes. Everyone is a sleeper agent until compelled to act by whatever means. Israelis do the same thing under the sayanim program (appeal to loyalty). Malware agents are staged until called upon using the same strategy. I don't know what motivated this guy's disappearance but you don't get quietly fired, scrubbed from public association and have the FBI raid your apartme…

Here's one possible way it went down: His wife kills him and hides the body. The university then fires him because he doesn't show up and won't respond to any messages. Eventually the university gets suspicious and calls the FBI. The FBI raids the apartment because they think it might be a crime scene. The reason its the FBI and not local cops is because the university mentioned that he was Chinese and working on sensitive research so the feds step in, due to them perceiving some possible espionage angle.

I am not saying that definitely happened, but it's a narrative which more or less fits the facts.

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Documentation is hard to do accurately when someone illegally immigrates with no documents.

The Department of Homeland Security is not an undocumented immigrant, nor is the court system. They are required to document what they do.

How does homeland security know who they arrested if the individual has no documents?

Assuming they're not in a biometric database and from a non cooperative country like Venezuela.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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I asked a straightforward question, à la the Socratic method, in order to allow the one making the claim to justify their position, à la Russell's Teapot. If you were not willing to answer the question from the beginning then you shouldn't be responding to me and wailing about "moving goalposts". My "goalposts" have been consistent since my first question - answer that question, please. If you wish to make your point…

>The current administration have proven they do not care about any of these things. Even natural born citizens are now under threat. This is my original comment. You are moving goalposts where you want them to be. My comment is specifically about how this administration is threatening natural born citizens by trying to remove protections they've always had, and here you are seeming to say they aren't because no natur…

Using the Socratic method, especially on HN is not “just being an internet troll”.

If you can’t handle simple questions that undermine your claims then make better claims. Also, with your attitude I’m not sure this site is for you. Please refrain from the personal insults, it definitely lowers the overall tone of the board.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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> jus soli is rare outside of the Americas, legal concepts in other countries have absolutely _nothing_ to do with constitutional rights in the U.S.

Firstly, that isn't true. The US is a common law system, that common law being English common law, and because common law systems still share many features, they can use decisions and case law from other common law jurisdictions in their own decisions. Moreover, the US Bill of Rights is an extension of the English Bill of Rights 1689 and Magna Carta (the founders were British, after all). From Britannica's introducti…

> Firstly, that isn't true. The US is a common law system, that common law being English common law, and because common law systems still share many features, they can use decisions and case law from other common law jurisdictions in their own decisions

While US law has its roots in English common law, and common law concepts were referenced by the Founding Fathers, it has absolutely no bearing on US constitutional law.

It's interesting from a historical perspective, but that's it.

Jus soli has nothing to do with the US constitution or US laws. Period.

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