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Post by MBCook »

CharlesW wrote: post #426
MBCook wrote: post #408

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They did the same for photos years ago. Many apps have not updated and perhaps never will.

They don't need to be, since it's enforced at the OS level. Users can limit permissions to individual contacts regardless of whether iOS apps have been updated to explicitly handle that use case.

I meant updated yo the newer nicer replacement UIs.

For example I know Slack still doesn’t use the single picture picker. They still want access to everything.

So iOS lets me limit what they can see, but it’s still a pain compared to just letting me pick the one picture I want.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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Post by wkat4242 »

illiac786 wrote: post #409
wkat4242 wrote: post #259

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Yes, Apple hates the idea of work-badged apps that Android has. I have to admit, a lot of our users don't grok it either at first. However once they realise the benefits (the company has much less visibility, AND they can turn off the work section completely with the touch of a button) they usually come around pretty quickly. The bad part of this is that apps have to specifically support the multiple profiles option,…

Donyou know if account driven enrolment requires different phone numbers for the MDM managed apps and the personal ones? Specifically for the diaper app for example.

I don't believe they do, no. The numbers aren't all that important in terms of MDM. We don't even see the number if someone inserts a second private SIM in their company phone. We consider that personal information we shouldn't even know.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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Post by umbra07 »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #246
xxprogamerxy wrote: post #202

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Simple, UX. The reality is, most webapps for mobile just suck. The UX is nowhere near that of a native application. I don't want any text to be selectable. I don't want pull to refresh on every page. I don't want the left-swipe to take me to the previous page. You can probably find workarounds for all these issues. The new Silk library ( https://silkhq.co/ ) is the first case I've seen that get's very close to a nati…

>I don't want any text to be selectable. I don't want pull to refresh on every page. I don't want the left-swipe to take me to the previous page. Strange. This inability to select any text has always felt like one of the most hostile things developers could ever do. It feels like pure vandalism. Another thing that causes massive productivity degradation is not being able to keep multiple pages open so you can come ba…

> Strange. This inability to select any text has always felt like one of the most hostile things developers could ever do. It feels like pure vandalism.

Use Circle to Search? Native capability that works on every single app, and is close to perfect (with the exception of handling text at the very bottom/top of your screen that's covered by your navbar/Google logo).

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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Post by umbra07 »

nazgul17 wrote: post #437
crazygringo wrote: post #421

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No, not providing concrete examples is a weakness. You're awfully arrogant in making a judgement about my empathy... if you want to make this personal. Or maybe you can justify why people need to be able to select menu labels in the first place? That's not standard on any OS I've ever used, so it's up to the person who wants to change things to justify why. Maybe be less judgmental of people here on HN, and contribut…

A simple and concrete example is, go to Japan, find yourself in need of using any Japanese-only app, be extremely frustrated in not even being able to select text to translate it. At least in recent versions of Android there is that OCR (?) powered functionality to select text when you're in switch-app view.

Circle to Search can translate everything on your screen without you needing to go through the whole "copy text, open Translate, paste, switch back to app" workflow. You just hold the home button, then press the translate button.

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Post by nsonha »

jb1991 wrote: post #473
nsonha wrote: post #470

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On desktop you do productive work, your apps need native capabilities. On mobile, apps are primarily consumption, displaying, browsing... no complex interactions.

Lots of people use iPads for content creation. I think your worldview on this topic is a bit narrow. There have also been multiple feature length movies shot on an iPhone, at least two of them by Oscar winning directors! Those weren’t done on a mobile browser.

> Lots of people use iPads for content creation. I think your worldview on this topic is a bit narrow

Can we stick to "by and large"? Every year many youtubers make that video of trying to use ipad/samsung dex as the productive computer for a day. Last I checked they always end the same way.

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Post by umbra07 »

sgt wrote: post #250
turblety wrote: post #148

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Ah yeah. While this is mostly implemented terrible, a web app can absolutely do this for you using service workers. So you can install a webapp to your homescreen and use it without an internet connection at all.

You seem to miss the fact that most web app experiences are inferior to that of native app. The disadvantage of native is barrier to install. Once that's done, the experience to the user is simply superior. True native experience, fast and predictable. As a developer it's easier to build those types of apps as well. People who haven't used iOS might not understand this though as they've never seen "how things should…

you think most Android users are using PWAs instead of native apps? lol.

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Post by umbra07 »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #371

That's why I like hacker news. I found this article yesterday and posted it on reddit android, here : https://old.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1jmwg4w/everyone_k... 0 upvote, comment filled with what is either depressed sad people or just bots. Here it's top 2... With mostly interesting comment. Some subreddit are more dead than other but r/android got to be one of the worst.

r/android got hit really hard by the subreddit blackouts. activity is just very low there.

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Post by umbra07 »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #441
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #427

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I agree with your comments about the large subreddits, but I also agree with Mistletoe that even many niche subreddits (or at least "midsized" subreddits) suffer from the same moderation problem. Namely, once a subreddit becomes popular or has basically "the default" subreddit name, it's extremely difficult to just start a new subreddit if you don't like the moderation on the old subreddit, because it's so hard to ge…

If someone/some group can’t successfully create a smaller competing subreddit, what prospects would they have to successfully convince over half the existing userbase of a subreddit to formally vote for a “fork”?

the issue is that it's very hard to even let their desired audience know that they exist.

the only feasible way (short of like, scraping every comment made on a subreddit and dm'ing each of those users) to reach the audience you're trying to convince to switch to your alternate subreddit is by... posting on the original subreddit. the original subreddit has no incentive to allow your post, and public moderation logs aren't a thing on reddit, so...

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Post by fashion-at-cost »

illiac786 wrote: post #411
fashion-at-cost wrote: post #91

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I would have to strongly recommend nobody enroll a personal device in a company MDM. If the company needs you to have mobile connectivity that badly, they can give you a device.

I think it’s a personal decision. I really, really do not want to carry two huge slabs around. One is already too much. Account driven MDM enrolment pushes the Pareto front when it comes to privacy/conveniency compromises from my point of view. I will ask my IT if they have already looked at it.

The benefit with the two device approach is when you can not carry both devices for the majority of the time. If i’m not explicitly on call, my work device isn’t with me. Anything anyone says to me will wait until I’m back in the office.

If you have the self control to refuse to ever check Slack and disable all notifications/etc on your personal phone when not on call, this doesn’t apply as much. But for me I default to trying to stay on things and forcing myself to disconnect is a net good, even if it does mean I carry two phones at times. My pockets are large.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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Post by MichaelZuo »

umbra07 wrote: post #488
MichaelZuo wrote: post #441

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If someone/some group can’t successfully create a smaller competing subreddit, what prospects would they have to successfully convince over half the existing userbase of a subreddit to formally vote for a “fork”?

the issue is that it's very hard to even let their desired audience know that they exist . the only feasible way (short of like, scraping every comment made on a subreddit and dm'ing each of those users) to reach the audience you're trying to convince to switch to your alternate subreddit is by... posting on the original subreddit. the original subreddit has no incentive to allow your post, and public moderation logs…

So…? It still makes no sense to expect there to be any prospects of accomplishing something vastly harder, regardless.
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