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Re: Gemini Robotics

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I always thought that Asimov's Laws of Robotics ("A robot may not injure a human being" etc) were an interesting prop for science fiction, but wildly disconnected from the way computing & robotics actually work. Turns out he was just writing LLM prompts way ahead of his time.

It's funny because Isaac Asimov would have come up with some convoluted logical puzzle to justify why the robot went on a murderous rampage - because in sci-fi robots and AI are all hyperrational and perfectly rational - when in real life you'd just have to explain that your dying grandmother's last wish was to kill all the humans, because a real AI is essentially a dementia-riddled child created from the Lovecraftian pool of chaos and madness that is the internet.

I recall that story of the guy who tried to use AI to recreate his dead friend as a microwave and it tried to kill him[0].

You couldn't sell a sci-fi story where AIs just randomly go insane sometimes and everyone just accepts it as a cost of doing business, and because "humans are worse," but that's essentially reality. At least not as anything but a dark satire that people would accuse of being a bit much.

[0]https://thenextweb.com/news/ai-ressurects-imaginary-friend-a...

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Robotics needs to become affordable for indie developers be able to hack them almost like Raspberry Pi projects.

Have you checked out the Le Robot project by Huggingface? You can build two robot arms SO-ARM100 (leader+follower) for less than 250€ or so.

And you can train the model by yourself without relying on cloud services.

Some URLs to get your started:

https://huggingface.co/lerobot

https://github.com/huggingface/lerobot/blob/main/examples/10...

the latest project: Le Kiwi, using the SO-ARM100 arm:

https://github.com/huggingface/lerobot/blob/main/examples/11...

the super advanced HopeJR shoulder + arm + hands:

https://github.com/TheRobotStudio/HOPEJr

cool video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHfy2vACyw

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Not only wildly disconnected, but purposefully created to show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy. All of Asimov's books that include the laws also include them being unintentionally broken through some edge-case.

It was weird to actually read I, Robot and discover that the entire book is a collection of short stories about those laws going wrong. Far as I know, Asimov never actually told a story where those laws were a good thing.

They aren't generally potrayed as bad, either, just as things which are not as simple as they first appear. Even in the story where the AIs basically run the economy and some humans figure out that they are surreptitiously suppressing opposition to this arrangement (with the hypothesized emergent zeroth law of not allowing humanity to come to harm), Asimov doesn't really seem to believe that this is entirely a bad thing.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only wildly disconnected, but purposefully created to show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy. All of Asimov's books that include the laws also include them being unintentionally broken through some edge-case.

It was weird to actually read I, Robot and discover that the entire book is a collection of short stories about those laws going wrong. Far as I know, Asimov never actually told a story where those laws were a good thing.

The 0th law worked out pretty good for Daniel and humanity

Re: Gemini Robotics

#485

If this makes it easier and faster to sort garbage, we could probably improve the efficiency of recycling 100x. I know there are some places that do that already, but there are so many menial tasks that could be done by robots to improve the world.

I doubt anyone would use this kind of fancy machine to garbage handling until they become a commodity. I would bet that the first application would be to send those robots to trenches and foxholes...

Ground based robotics to fight wars is an expensive way to not do what an aerial drone can.

You can just send explosives into both those things, and it's cheaper and more effective.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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At least robotics (and by extension, embedded development) is a growing field. I'd be more worried being a junior front-end mobile or web dev.

I was at the SCaLE22x linux expo in Pasadena last week and there was a company Replit that has a tool where you type the website you like and it was pretty decent. They said someone came by and in a prompt alone created a GPDR compliant cookie popup. It's another tool, it wasn't perfect, but okay for some one-off sites. It will require skills to direct and know what you want, just like always. Embrace the power, know…

It's sad that the cookie popups are even necessary tbh.

It's like we automate their creation, and the users automate hiding / clicking them.

Re: Gemini Robotics

#487

I always thought that Asimov's Laws of Robotics ("A robot may not injure a human being" etc) were an interesting prop for science fiction, but wildly disconnected from the way computing & robotics actually work. Turns out he was just writing LLM prompts way ahead of his time.

If you want software to exhibit human values, the development process probably looks more like education or parenting prompting.

Or so says Ted Chiang: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lifecycle_of_Software_Ob...

Re: Gemini Robotics

#488

If this makes it easier and faster to sort garbage, we could probably improve the efficiency of recycling 100x. I know there are some places that do that already, but there are so many menial tasks that could be done by robots to improve the world.

Nobody cares about the efficiency of recycling. Existing pro-recycling orgs will want no part of this and do what they can to stop it. This is because if it becomes easy then it won’t matter and all the marketing, non profit orgs and everything goes away, making it a non problem. While I am sure you will find people who will like these ideas and want them, they will have zero control. At this point recycling is a mar…

Plastic recycling, as commonly understood and promoted, is largely a myth. While technically possible, the reality of plastic recycling falls far short of public perception and industry claims.

# The Reality of Plastic Recycling:

- Low recycling rates: Only 9% of all plastic worldwide is actually recycled[1][2]. In the United States, the recycling rate for plastic waste is even lower, at just 5-6%[5].

- Limited recyclability: Most types of single-use plastic cannot be recycled in the United States. Only plastic #1 and #2 bottles and jugs meet the minimum legal standard to be labeled recyclable[1].

- Downcycling: The majority of recycled plastic is of inferior quality, resulting in downcycling rather than true recycling[2].

- Economic challenges: Recycling plastic is often not economically viable compared to producing new plastic[4].

# Industry Deception:

The myth of plastic recycling has been perpetuated by the plastic and oil industries for decades:

- Misleading labeling: The Resin Identification Codes (RICs) on plastic products were created by the industry to give the impression of a vast and viable recycling system[3].

- Disinformation campaigns: The fossil fuel industry has benefited financially from promoting the idea that plastic could be recycled, despite knowing since 1974 that it was not economically viable for most plastics[3].

- Lack of commitment: In 1994, an Exxon chemical executive stated, "We are committed to the activities, but not committed to the results," regarding industry support for plastics recycling[5].

#Environmental and Health Impacts

- Pollution: Most plastic items labeled as recyclable often end up in landfills, incinerators, or polluting the environment[1].

- Health hazards: Plastic waste contamination affects soil, water, and air quality, potentially impacting human health[4].

Conclusion

The concept of widespread plastic recycling is largely a myth propagated by the plastic industry to distract from the real issues of plastic pollution and to avoid regulation. While some plastic can be recycled, the current system is far from effective or sustainable. To address the plastic crisis, focus needs to shift from recycling to reducing plastic production and consumption.

[1] https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/the-myth-of-single-use-plasti...

[2] https://www.plasticsoupfoundation.org/nl/blog/recycling-myth

[3] https://www.earthday.org/plastic-recycling-is-a-lie/

[4] https://kosmorebi.com/en/plastique-le-mythe-du-recyclage/

[5] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-plastic-industry-knowi...

Re: Gemini Robotics

#489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was weird to actually read I, Robot and discover that the entire book is a collection of short stories about those laws going wrong. Far as I know, Asimov never actually told a story where those laws were a good thing.

The 0th law worked out pretty good for Daniel and humanity

c'mon now you know not everybody made it all the way to Foundation and Earth. :D

for some reason that one wasn't even included in the list of books in the series on the inside jacket of the other books that I had.

I remember I had to really hunt for it and it was from a different publisher. never knew why.

Re: Gemini Robotics

#490
post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they're pointing out you need to be cautious assuming a robot can be economically, sustainably deployed to do jobs in environments which are challenging for electro-mechanical systems. An example: A friend worked on accurate built-in weighing machines for trucks, which could measure axle weight and load balance to meet compliance for bridges and other purposes. He found it almost impossible to make units whic…

It's interesting to think that it is more feasible (including economically) to expose humans to bleaches, acids, catalyst materials, electricity, abrasives, and sharp edges.

Humans are really well designed mechanical systems!
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