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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ryandrake »

mcv wrote: post #476
efitz wrote: post #386

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Try buckling all your back seat belts. Recently US cars are required to annoy you if back seat passengers are not buckled in; many (most?) manufacturers are not putting in weight sensors to see if there are rear seat passengers present; they’re just putting in seat belt buckled sensors.

Our previous car did beep when there was any weight on the passenger seat while the seat belt was unbuckled, which is extremely annoying when you just put a bag there. Another annoying thing was that in order to use the navigation from the car, you first had to agree to obey the traffic rules or something. I already do that by participating in traffic. I don't think this incessant beeping for every little thing, nor…

I remember when i was a kid and the cars started dinging when your seat belt was unbuckled, and my family (and everyone we knew) went out and bought empty buckles that just plugged into the seat belt latch, to defeat the dinging and let you drive without your seatbelt in peace. I wonder if these still work to defeat the more and more aggressive warnings.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by mcv »

mrcsharp wrote: post #450
neor wrote: post #434

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I've had a new Toyota Corolla over the weekend, and the beeps were driving me nuts. The car reads signs, and beeps everytime it detects a change in speed limit. If you go over the speed limit, even if its 1 km/h the car starts beeping as well. I never drive really fast, when the car says I'm driving 1 KM over the limit my GPS speed usually is 5 below. This makes the signals extra annoying. They should have used beeps…

I noticed this ~5KM/H difference between my GPS and the speedometer of a Toyota 2014 model. I checked and it had to do with liability apparently[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/CarsAustralia/comments/10d4g0b/spee...

It has always been common for cars to estimate your speed a bit on the high side, because there's always a margin of error, and that way you don't accidentally go over the speed limit while thinking you're still below it.

But for a car to start beeping (or worse, interfering), they'd better use that margin of error in the other direction.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by mcv »

ryandrake wrote: post #481
mcv wrote: post #476

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Our previous car did beep when there was any weight on the passenger seat while the seat belt was unbuckled, which is extremely annoying when you just put a bag there. Another annoying thing was that in order to use the navigation from the car, you first had to agree to obey the traffic rules or something. I already do that by participating in traffic. I don't think this incessant beeping for every little thing, nor…

I remember when i was a kid and the cars started dinging when your seat belt was unbuckled, and my family (and everyone we knew) went out and bought empty buckles that just plugged into the seat belt latch, to defeat the dinging and let you drive without your seatbelt in peace. I wonder if these still work to defeat the more and more aggressive warnings.

When I was a kid, cars didn't even have seat belts in the back.

I'm all for the extra safety, but if they make safety too annoying, people will start looking for workarounds.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ryandrake »

michaelt wrote: post #292
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #81

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There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…

> reducing the 70-odd computers to 3 or so. What are they even counting as a 'computer' to get to 70? I know that in the door there's going to be a microcontroller, to connect the buttons, the lock and the window motor to the CAN bus (or whatever it is they use these days). Is that a computer? Are they proposing to get rid of it?

It's ridiculous that any of these things need microcontrollers. My first car's door had a little joystick that physically moved the mirror around, presumably using pushrods or something. The door lock was a physical device you moved up and down, and had a motor connected (power door locks were fancy). It also had cranked window controls, not so nice. But power windows didn't need a computer either.

We keep taking things that worked fine without a computer, adding a computer, and ending up with all the problems of a computer but with little extra benefit to the user.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by wesselbindt »

brandonagr2 wrote: post #449
wesselbindt wrote: post #272

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Agreed, the quality of the product should speak for itself. We've got people saying they're unreliable, and we've got people saying they're reliable, and that's true for literally every car manufacturer on the planet, so this doesn't tell us much. Anecdotal stuff aside, there's studies done on these things, thankfully, and Tesla consistently ranks poorly. See for example this one (this is just the first one that popp…

And yet Tesla has industry leading brand loyalty, what do you think is a better predictor, an opaque number computed by Consumer Reports from an unknown formula that combines feedback about non reliability items from users who bother to respond to consumer reports questions, or what 87% of consumers decide after experiencing a Tesla? https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-leads-with-unmatched-...

The consumer report one. Also I feel like the source you link might be a teeny tiny bit biased.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by moogly »

PeeMcGee wrote: post #84
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

The cold weather alert especially gets on my nerves. I appreciate the heads up, but I don't appreciate the HUD crying wolf about stuff that doesn't require my immediate attention.

Drives me nuts. It's so loud in my Mazda.

Oh, and in the winter, if the front sensors are iced over, it has the worst ear-stabbing incessant EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE... sound at low speeds until I go out and fix it. I have not found any other way to shut it up. It might be at high speeds too, because it is so awful that I cannot not go out and fix it, so I'm not sure. Luckily it hasn't happened yet where I couldn't stop somewhere.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ryandrake »

gcanyon wrote: post #388
musikele wrote: post #165

Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty. First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I'd never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just be…

> but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. To paraphrase Chris Rock: should we give Tesla a cookie? "Everything worked out of the box" is what's supposed to happen.

Seriously. "Everything Works out of the box" is now the bar for high quality??

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rightbyte »

vel0city wrote: post #427
rightbyte wrote: post #235

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It feels a bit counterintuitive to go for a Bluetooth speaker over 3.5mm? Your low tech car will feel like a emotional prison. Of all the annoying modernities you want the worst one? If you want to make a deal with the devil I would choose rear camera. Think about it. All the headache and time to pair Bluetooth devices over a dead simple connector. I would aim for a pre 2016 car. I think that has some margin to the I…

> All the headache and time to pair Bluetooth devices over a dead simple connector. Conversely, I pair my phone once when I get the car and I never need to worry about messing with it again; it's just connected when the car starts. I don't even need to take my device out of my pocket or bag. On top of that I get hands-free calling if someone calls while I'm driving, I get steering wheel media controls, I get voice co…

Ye that is my experience too. Aslong as noone touches the setup it works.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ryandrake »

Diti wrote: post #262
lostlogin wrote: post #206

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Weird take. He repeated his salute immediately. ‘I can’t be ist because I know an ’ is hardly a new position. Defend him all you want, he speaks for himself. We can see his actions and who he funds.

> We can see his actions and who he funds. I’m out of the loop here. Has Musk done anything related to nazi symbols (besides that weird gesture that some people say is a nazi salute), or funded Nazi organizations? EDIT: Why the downvotes?

I think the downvotes might be from your repeating the "weird gesture" phrase that is currently being used to sane-wash what actually happened. Anyone who doesn't think what Musk did was a Nazi salute, I encourage you to go into work, do it in front of your manager, and see what happens.
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