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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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> Effective February 5, 2025, the Postal Service will continue accepting all international inbound mail and packages from China and Hong Kong Posts. The USPS and Customs and Border Protection are working closely together to implement an efficient collection mechanism for the new China tariffs to ensure the least disruption to package delivery.

Looks like its changed since posting

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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It's divide and conquer tactics. They are not interested in continuity or a smoothly functioning economy. They want chaos and panic because they can exploit it.

The problem is they've already threatened most of their allies. In divide and conquer the goal is supposed to be to divide your enemies, not divide yourself from your allies. As it is their enemies and allies now have good reason to work together.

If you assume they are both compromised by Russia and China(which they are), then all of their actions make much more sense by treating our allies as enemies because they are enemies of Russia and China.

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> You metaphorically need to invent the universe to make it work in the US. You didnt answer the obvious question of the why things are the way they are now? US used to have their entire electronic supply chain, save from raw materials, in USA in the 70s... So why cant US build its own Shenzhen or Hong Kong? taxes? corporate taxes are relatively low in some US states, infrastructure? US has all the infrastructure nee…

That is extremely simple, because there is less money to be made compared to just going into pure software/finance/etc, which is why all the US talent shifted there in the past. Economically speaking it was a big advantage because you could get all the gadgets manufactured at chinese wages for the last decades-- electronics made in the US will be more expensive even after all the necessary investments are paid for (d…

What I would love to see is a public payer heath plan paid with a VAT. Then every startup gets subsidized as do large corporations. It sucks when you have to think about health care costs when doing a startup or rolling the dice.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

Hopefully the company started setting up those relationships when Trump was elected. I personally bought a bunch of hard to get domestically "Made in China" stuff I knew I'd need in the next year back in December to hedge against Trump's anti-China policies, so I imagine most American companies that rely heavily on China aren't completely unprepared right now.

Edit: if you don't agree with something I've said, please comment and explain why. I really don't see how this is controversial.

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Here's a subthread from yesterday where I went into this in depth: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011 . Past explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . If anyone has a question that isn't answered at those links, I'd be happy to take a crack at it.

Thank you @dang for the in-depth and thoughtful information communicated in those links. You put a lot of effort and dedication into taking care of HN. Really appreciate that Given how much has happened and come out in the last 48hrs alone. I would say there is a big unprecedented Major Ongoing Topic (MOT) The MOT is the coup going on. You might call it something else, but you can definitely group a lot of the politi…

I hear you, but I don't feel that HN is that influential, and I feel like what influence it does have would evaporate if we tried to use it. HN works best as a place to meander, with unspecified side effects.

Since some people perceive discussion quality to be (relatively) high on HN, they often want to redirect its focus to things that are more important to them (such as urgent public issues or, less loftily, promoting their own stuff). But if those things did grab the focus, quality would go down, making the forum less desirable.

It's one of the feedback loops of this system: things that make HN better attract things that make it worse, so there's a cap on how good the site can ever get (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...).

I know that the quota we put on political discussion here—allowed to some extent, but never so much that it dominates—can be frustrating. Why not relax the constraint, especially in urgent times, and apply this valuable resource to things that really matter?

The answer is that the constraint is not arbitrary—it's not a dial we could just turn up if we wanted to. There's a limit on how much political load HN could bear before its character changed. To know how it would change, just look at the political threads we do host: they are by far the worst and nastiest that appear here, and moderation has limited ability to do much about it.

If we moved in the direction that that vector points toward, HN wouldn't just get a little more like that—it would get a ton more like that, because these effects compound. In other words, if we tried to turn that dial very much, we wouldn't get "HN, but with more politics". Rather, HN would cease to exist.

It works the other way as well: we can't turn the dial down much either. Trying to exclude politics would be neither possible nor desirable for reasons I've explained elsewhere (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29219906 or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 and the links from there).

Thus the problem space is more constrained, and the solution more overdetermined, than one would guess at first. We can't move too much in any direction, and this leaves a lot of users unsatisfied.

Btw I found some past threads where this same point came up:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25786150 (Jan 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16443080 (Feb 2018)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16438384 (Feb 2018)

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Getting rid of de minimus exemptions made it impossible to assess duty on the volume of packages coming in. So they just won’t accept packages at all.

And forgo the revenue? Or, do the other carriers do a better job of meeting the imposts?

Doing an inspection is going to take a moderately well paid government employee a little bit of their time. I'd be very, very surprised if the cost of their labor is less, in expectation, than the tariff collected on the average de minimus shipment from China.

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Here's a subthread from yesterday where I went into this in depth: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011 . Past explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . If anyone has a question that isn't answered at those links, I'd be happy to take a crack at it.

I have a question. How can users here help you, Dan? Judging by the activity over the past 15 days have gone, the next four years are going to involve multiple MOTs on most days, and moderating that all seems like a lot of work for one person.

I'm not the only mod (thankfully!), just the only one who posts publicly.

How to help? Thanks for asking! Here are the first three things that occur to me:

1. Sticking scrupulously to the site guidelines when commenting, even when it feels like nobody else is

2. Flagging comments that break the site guidelines

3. Emailing hn@ycombinator.com when there are particularly bad things going without moderation or particularly good things not getting discussed

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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> Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Because the West has to actually follow environmental and safety regulations. As opposed to write them down on paper and wipe your ass with it when the West isn't looking. Evidence: I watched a tour video from one of these Chinese PCB houses and some of the workers were wearing surgical masks. Not for COVID mind you, for presiding…

"Because the West has to actually follow environmental and safety regulations" ... that can only exist because they can circumvent them by offshoring all their production to the East and South. If they actually wanted to comply rather than bypass said regulations they would have to curb consumption for which there would not be support.

Why would there be no support for products if they were made in compliance with environmental and safety regulations? Or why would people not be able to consume them?

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

> But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes.

There are shops in the USA that can do that work.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Bad for consumers, but seems like a very good thing for AMZN? Amazon won't have to compete against the much cheaper Temu, Aliexpress, Shein(?) etc.

Cheaper and better. This country is so painfully stupid. Now I have to pay 2x as much for inferior products, if not the same exact stuff imported by an American company. This alone is probably going to cost me about 1000$ to 2000$ per year. We literally don't make much most of this stuff in the US. For example I just ordered a guitar bag, 15$ direct from China. The same exact bag, made in the same exact factory is go…

>15$ direct from China. The same exact bag, made in the same exact factory is going to be 40$ on Amazon.

Do you have examples of this? It hasn't been the case for me. Usually the prices are similar and I tend to find that Amazon is slightly cheaper.

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