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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by hackyhacky »

_heimdall wrote: post #471
hackyhacky wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Life is messy and politicians attempt to smooth that over with grandiose, but hollow, visions for the future and data points taken out of context to paint a picture. Your point is: politicians lie. Of course they do. They always have. What's new in our era is not the lying, but the utter contempt for facts. A study in contrasts: * A "traditional politician" will lie. If they are caught, with plain evidence that con…

> People believe him because he is charismatic and he talks like a regular person. I'm not so sure many people really believe him very often. I live in a part of the country that heavily supported Trump, even diehard fans of his that I talk to consider him a shit talker and support him only because he throws a wrench in the system. Even those I know who do seem to believe him cave pretty quickly when asked any slight…

> support him only because he throws a wrench in the system.

Interesting insight, thanks.

Well, if that's what they want, that's what they get. I guess I can't understand an attitude that leads you to want to destroy your own country.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by llamaimperative »

albedoa wrote: post #143
treis wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Buddy, if I told you that I have fostered dogs from shelters, would you take that to mean that I have fostered all dogs from all shelters? Someone is certainly being ridiculous.

We're in for an impressive four years of mental gymnastics from the most pathetic thinkers on the planet.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by llamaimperative »

charles_f wrote: post #398

What terrifies me this time around compared to the previous one is that people in support of this kind of initiative are either much more vocal, more boosted, or simply more dominant. In his first term, there was still a form of reserve. It even permeates in this comment thread. It now feels like crazy conspiracy theories and idiocy have become an accepted, and either major stance. I just went on Twitter for a minute…

For what it's worth, we have no reason to believe this stuff is actually popular. But yes, the right wing propaganda machine has been shockingly effective, and you have a whole lot of people on this forum now trying to contort themselves into odd shapes to justify a coup because their heroes are either 1) at the helm or 2) cheerleaders for it.

Trump won the election by a very slim margin and his popularity will only go down from here. Don't be discouraged by the online stuff. Twitter in particular is just an information weapon now.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by vkou »

aurareturn wrote: post #473
timhigins wrote: post #436

Removing these records from the public internet could likely be considered illegal under the OPEN Government Data Act, 44 U.S.C. § 3506: > (d) With respect to information dissemination, each agency shall— (3) provide adequate notice when initiating, substantially modifying, or terminating significant information dissemination products; (4) not, except where specifically authorized by statute— (A) establish an exclusi…

Side question: If Trump just pardons the people responsible, does it matter if it's illegal?

I'm afraid you're not going to get an answer that you're going to like.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by ModernMech »

diggan wrote: post #23
paulyy_y wrote: post #13

What's more depressing is this was completely predictable, totally avoidable, but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms.

> but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms. And the other half? They seem to welcome this as well, but with crossed arms. Where are the protests? Seems most people end up writing upset messages on Twitter/Bluesky, but also seems there are no grassroots movements to actually protest the borderline coup that is happening?

You misread. A lot of us have been warning about this and fighting against it for 10+ years. We have protested, and voted, and passed laws, and conducted investigations, argued in court, impeached him twice, and defended against a legislative coup, and a literal insurrection - every legal, constitutional, and peaceful method was exercised at the federal and state levels.

But at the end of the day a lot of people didn’t listen and voted for this direction instead.

So the people who protested and tried everything for a decade are done. Now we are just waiting for the 70 million people who still support this direction to finally burn themselves on the stove and discover it is in fact hot, just like we’ve been saying. The next protests have to be Republicans and Democrats or there’s no point.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by refurb »

Wait a second.

The EO in question doesn't require that all mentions of more than two genders be taken down (beyond a few specific policies).

The CDC immediately pulls down data that went beyond the requirements of the EO.

And now Democrats are saying "this is so scary, data is disappearing!!"

But it was Democrats that took the data down without being required to do so?

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by perihelions »

aurareturn wrote: post #473
timhigins wrote: post #436

Removing these records from the public internet could likely be considered illegal under the OPEN Government Data Act, 44 U.S.C. § 3506: > (d) With respect to information dissemination, each agency shall— (3) provide adequate notice when initiating, substantially modifying, or terminating significant information dissemination products; (4) not, except where specifically authorized by statute— (A) establish an exclusi…

Side question: If Trump just pardons the people responsible, does it matter if it's illegal?

I think Trump would fire any US Attorney who forces him to actually write a pardon. The clear expectation of federal prosecutors is that it's off-limits to criminally pursue Trump functionaries carrying out his orders.

He's fired 30+ AUSA's just *this week*, because they had previously prosecuted Trump allies.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by refurb »

Tyrubias wrote: post #3

It’s terrifying that data US taxpayers paid for, collected and analyzed in the name of public health, can be removed on a whim. While there are a lot of efforts to archive said data, it would still make it unavailable to Americans who are not tech savvy. Unfortunately, that seems to be the idea, I think.

It is terrifying. Especially since the Executive Order didn't require it.

Why is the CDC taking down data when it's not required to do so?

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Diederich »

qingcharles wrote: post #447
skykooler wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would the removed data be something that could be requested under FOIA?

I can answer this as a serial FOIA litigator. If the data is still in the possession of the government (e.g. in backups, on paper) then it is FOIA-able. I had a gov agency temporarily throw all the materials into a trash can when I requested them and argued that since they were sitting in a trash can they were not available under FOIA.

> temporarily throw all the materials into a trash

Just curious, did they pull it out of the trash later on?

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