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License plate concealers are illegal in NYS. Being able to read license plates is critical for identifying vehicles involved in crimes. I hope you are eventually caught and punished!
NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker
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#482Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one likes decent and cheap public transport? I find that hard to believe. It's basically the common denominator for the best modern cities. Motorcycles are definitely not the solution. Motorcycle usage in NYC has skyrocketed since 2020 and as a result the streets are far noisier, more chaotic, and more dangerous, especially for pedestrians and cyclists.
I mean it in the sense that I've literally never met a person who prefers travelling by public transport to a personal motorized vehicle outside of long trips. The usage I've seen of it is from people who are too much of a mess financially to afford a car/license or people who are terrified of driving. Incentives just don't fix the issue of having no control and being in a pod with a hundred people you don't know and…
Chiming in to say I also prefer public transit. Why focus on the ride at all when I can just read a book and teleport?
And the real danger of motorcycles is to yourself. You could end up living with a feeding tube slipping in a shower let alone a minor scuff at 25mph.
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#483Fantastic. That's step one, now fix the public transit, and make it safer and cleaner, so that people actually enjoy using it consistently rather than just needing to do so. Do that and NYC will be a much, much nicer city to live in.
It will never be “safe” or “clean” enough for the people who think it is unsafe today. Because for some people they see one homeless person and it ruins their day. They fail to realize that hey, transit is the means of transport one might take when you have no money at all, and you are always going to have homeless people on it and its not a big deal either.
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#484Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course I do. Ask any person living in New York, they'll tell you the same thing.
Unless you happen to ask the large fraction of people who knowingly moved there to make big bucks for some number of years before getting out. They will all tell you it sucks, the government sucks, you suck for not realizing that and that they're masterminding their exit to the suburbs of Phoenix or Miami or whatever. These people make up a sizable minority of the NYC population at any given time.
Well yeah sure, but obviously people who fail at living in New York don't count.
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#486Earlier quoted context omitted.
The number of people who entirely live and work and drive inside the zone is going to be vanishingly small in comparison to the people who transit the zone border so I'm not sure it's going to be that big of a deal.
I just wonder why they choose not to enforce this aspect of it when it can be a significant population (in a statistical sense) of the car traffic as well as revenue. Manhattan inside the highways is a big place. Maybe it's the cost of the cameras to be installed.
I wager they did a study to weigh the costs and came up with the inevitable answer that chasing down the tenth of a percent (a wild guess but I think it's at worst an order of magnitude off from the actual number) of cars that exist only within the congestion zone and never leave would cost more than you'd gain both in fees and second order effects. Especially the population of cars most likely to never or rarely leave are being charged on a per ride basis, cabs and rideshare vehicles like Uber etc.
It's like all the efforts to drug test people on welfare, they cost vastly more than they save/recover.
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#487The harsh law of hacker news: For any topic outside of strict software development, the strength, viciousness and certitude of opinions expressed is inversely proportional to the level of knowledge about the subject. https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2021/3/3/the-fundamental...
It was shocking to read The Power Broker last year and learn that since 1940s at least, urban planners have been aware of induced demand. Caro even brings up congestion pricing as a proposal that was rejected not because it wouldn't solve then problem but because the entire urban planning infrastructure was built to deny that there was a problem.
And this is why we have traffic today per that theory. Demand were induced and in a lot of cases cities didn’t end up building key reliever routes. So those initiall routes were overcapacity potentially from day one in the city.
It is also important to note that induced demand is not infinite. There is a point when there aren’t more drivers to actually get on the roads. We see this in some midwestern cities that had their full freeway plans built and didn’t experience significant growth after those plans were made. Those are “20 miles in 20 minutes” places any time of day for the most part.
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#488Earlier quoted context omitted.
The uber/taxi fee is charged per ride, whereas private passenger cars pay once per day. Seems like a reasonable tradeoff.
Private passenger car driver is paying 12x Taxi toll / 6x Uber toll. Taxi/Uber toll is passed directly onto he rider. Why should it be cheaper to be chauffeured? Also your average Taxi may not even cross into the CPZ 12x per day, so unclear we are making it up on volume either.
Because there are fewer cars in the system for each chauffeured ride vs private vehicle.
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#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every penny has to go back into affordable, subsidised alternatives or you're just fencing off Manhattan for the super rich.
Only the super rich can afford to pay $9? I.e., roughly the price of a sandwich in 2025?
Do you think that's what the average American pays for their sandwich? Including bringing lunch from home.
If you don't understand working poverty, you won't understand how devastating only $3kpa really looks like on a low wage. Lot's of people right now can't afford that, so cost-neutral alternatives have to exist or you price people out.
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#490Earlier quoted context omitted.
The uber/taxi fee is charged per ride, whereas private passenger cars pay once per day. Seems like a reasonable tradeoff.
Private passenger car driver is paying 12x Taxi toll / 6x Uber toll. Taxi/Uber toll is passed directly onto he rider. Why should it be cheaper to be chauffeured? Also your average Taxi may not even cross into the CPZ 12x per day, so unclear we are making it up on volume either.
> Taxi/Uber toll is passed directly onto he rider.
Only partially right? Tax incidence depends on the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply.