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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by unquietwiki »

kccqzy wrote: post #428
xvector wrote: post #415

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The House budget committee disagrees: https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_i... $150.7B yearly cost even after accounting for the tax revenue they supposedly bring.

The article is about illegal immigration while the rest of the thread is about legal immigration. Isn't it clear to everyone that the kind of people the government doesn't want in the country don't bring benefits to the country? And if they cheated on their way into the country, what does it imply about their integrity and their future tendency to cheat on taxes as well?

I can make an opposite claim on immigrants: those wealthy enough to clear the bar of entry, have more incentive to cheat on their future taxes to maintain their lifestyle. Though it sounds like the real issue is probably "getting paid under the table", which happens plenty for citizens and "undesirables" alike.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by roncesvalles »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #215
titanomachy wrote: post #175

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You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

Integration is a 1st generation immigrant problem. I don't think that 2nd gen Indians (let's be honest, that's what you're referring to) have any problems integrating into Canadian culture. In fact I've noticed they integrate better than most other immigrant groups. They tend to identify with both urban and suburban culture, and aren't overly religious.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by kypro »

rayiner wrote: post #385

Does the economist know what time it is? Nationalism is resurgent: nationalist parties now control the U.S. and Italy. Canada seems poised to Poilievre, who has made impassioned appeals to Canadian nationalism. And in Germany, France, and the U.K., nationalist parties have effectively rendered the governing coalitions impotent, even if they cannot yet command a majority. What a time to suggest that Canadians cede the…

The left-wing party in the UK has only just won its largest majority in history and we don't have another election for 5 years.

That is largely because the right has split into populist right and centre-right parties though.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by roncesvalles »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #449
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #215

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That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

The anecdote I have heard is that the USA is a melting pot and Canada is a mosaic. I do notice when I travel to the USA that people seem much more integrated and buy into the USA culture and lifestyle. Here in Canada you just get a bunch of mini communities who do not integrate.

>the USA is a melting pot and Canada is a mosaic

Although that's what they teach us in Canadian schools, in my experience it's the opposite. Ghettos and enclaves aren't really a thing in Canada like they are in the US.

There are some remarkably insular subcultures within the US like Latinos, Hasidic Jews, the Chinese (in some places), Amish and variants, Indians in certain towns like Edison, Black people in certain cities, to a degree that exists nowhere in Canada (and no, Brampton doesn't compare).

Subcultures in general are just not a thing in Canada, it's very much a monoculture.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by xvector »

crispinb wrote: post #446
xvector wrote: post #425

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Someone once said something to the effect: "I'm not concerned that computers will become more like people, I am that people will learn to 'think' like computers". A fortiori humans vs social media. You are faux-thinking in a series of tweets.

Ah, I forgot you are the only one in this thread capable of real human thought. My apologies for bothering you with my "faux-thinking."

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Post by nostromo »

dismalaf wrote: post #323
BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

As a millennial Canadian, this. I've never seen this much disdain for immigration, not even close. Definitely can't blame people though, our immigration rate is completely insane, talking multiple times higher than the US rate or the EU rate at the height of the Syrian refugee crisis. Our GDP per capita has gone down every quarter for what, at least 2 years? Medical care, cost of living, everything is the worst I've…

Canada is getting poor fast (compared to the US). This is from the Economist recently:

https://archive.is/UdixF/ec46ebf7fe812cd5e9432f45f68bd142e6c...

BC's GDP per capita is lower than Idahos. Ontario and Quebec's are lower than West Virginia's.

https://brilliantmaps.com/us-vs-canada-gdp-per-capita/

This would be unthinkable not too long ago.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

roncesvalles wrote: post #484
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #449

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The anecdote I have heard is that the USA is a melting pot and Canada is a mosaic. I do notice when I travel to the USA that people seem much more integrated and buy into the USA culture and lifestyle. Here in Canada you just get a bunch of mini communities who do not integrate.

>the USA is a melting pot and Canada is a mosaic Although that's what they teach us in Canadian schools, in my experience it's the opposite. Ghettos and enclaves aren't really a thing in Canada like they are in the US. There are some remarkably insular subcultures within the US like Latinos, Hasidic Jews, the Chinese (in some places), Amish and variants, Indians in certain towns like Edison, Black people in certain c…

It was relevant when people from all over the world came to Canada instead of from one province in India

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by roncesvalles »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #487
roncesvalles wrote: post #484

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>the USA is a melting pot and Canada is a mosaic Although that's what they teach us in Canadian schools, in my experience it's the opposite. Ghettos and enclaves aren't really a thing in Canada like they are in the US. There are some remarkably insular subcultures within the US like Latinos, Hasidic Jews, the Chinese (in some places), Amish and variants, Indians in certain towns like Edison, Black people in certain c…

It was relevant when people from all over the world came to Canada instead of from one province in India

I think most of them will integrate eventually; their children will, most certainly. Everybody integrates, that's the Canadian way.

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Post by bombcar »

carlosjobim wrote: post #399
Barrin92 wrote: post #291

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>When you couple that with astronomical housing prices and a stagnant economy When you compare Canada, the US or some of the higher immigration countries in Europe to developed countries without immigration you'd wish you'd have price increase problems. Japan, sometimes hailed as an alternative to immigration is now so poor and old that middle class Westerners travel there like they traveled to a middle income countr…

> Cultural and housing problems are fixable (just build more housing), dying out is not. We've been through this endless times through history. When one ethnic group is exterminated, they are still dead even if strangers move into their land and dwellings. Whether that is done through war, disease or economic strangling of the youth. All has the same result and it is a crime against humanity and a crime against God.…

You don’t even have to exterminate the people; the culture can be replaced by another more powerful one - this has already happened especially to Canada; it’s much more like a weird copy of the USA than it was a hundred years ago.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

wvenable wrote: post #306
titanomachy wrote: post #175

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You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

In Canada, one cannot lump all immigrants together even those from the same part of the world. Canada used to be pretty strict on immigration only allowing highly skilled individuals from all over the world. But in the last decade this has changed to just importing as many bodies as possible. I won't go into the reasons for this change but it has dramatically altered the character of the country in this time. We have…

Minor correction, you have imported a massive underclass to run your fast food restaurants and other such jobs for far cheaper than a Canadian would be willing to do it for.
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