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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bhouston »

settrans wrote: post #475
sitkack wrote: post #459

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https://visualizingpalestine.org/visual/shrinking-palestine/ Doesn't include the parts of Syria that Israel just expropriated. Are you sure you aren't parroting Zionist tropes? That sea phrase ... Likud Party Platform https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform... > between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhXXspw7pw

So, the "Shrinking Palestine" graphic is a famous example of misleading Arafat propaganda. The instance you linked displays 4 maps, ostensibly comparing the area of "Palestine" versus "Israel". Each map is wrong: - 1918: At this time, there was no such thing as a state of Israel, nor had there there any administrative district named Palestine nor any Ottoman territory with borders like these. Instead, there was a Bri…

You do realize that most of the West Bank, if not all of it, will be annexed during the Trump administration right? And probably half of Gaza will be annexed as well. It is the end of any two-state solution. Not clear what will happen to the Palestinians there, but it probably won't be great for them.

Huckabee, the new US ambassador to Israel, supports both policies per: https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-ambassador-pick-huckabee...

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by settrans »

bhouston wrote: post #476
settrans wrote: post #446

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Controversial, as in almost certainly made up anti-Israel propaganda? Ryan McBeth presents his thoughtful analysis and debunking here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8HWJ2v0R6k

I didn't say it was an official patch. Settler ambitions are real though: Settlement movement for Southern Lebanon: https://jewishcurrents.org/inside-the-movement-to-settle-sou... . Unclear if this will happen, depends if Israel actually does withdraw fully or not. Resettlement movement for Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_Israeli_resettlement_... . This is likely to happen on Trumps watch in Northern Gaz…

The alleged patch suggests that there is some Israeli ambition to conquer all of the Levant. There is no such Israeli settler movement.

As far as Lebanon, there is no mainstream support whatsoever to settle north of the Blue Line. The article you linked describes the idea as "far-right". I would invite you to talk to an Israeli and ask them what they think about Israel annexing Lebanon.

Gaza is entirely different. There was a centuries-old Jewish presence in Gaza until 1929, when the Jews were ethnically cleansed by an Arab pogrom. That same Jewish-owned land was resettled again in 1946, but the Egyptians ethnically cleansed Gaza again in 1948, and kept Gaza Judenrein until 1967. Israel decided to pull all Jews out of Gaza again in a bid for peace in 2005, but of course we all know how that turned out.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by rbetts »

jliptzin wrote: post #479
eru wrote: post #473

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You can buy catastrophic healthcare coverage, can't you?

Everyone already has it, the cost is just absorbed by the public instead of being taken out of the taxes of the person receiving the emergency care, assuming they can’t afford the hospital bill.

Many studies find that a majority of personal bankruptcies in the US involve medical debt with some estimates of ~500,000 medical-cost contributed bankruptcies per year. A hospital (might) not kick you to the curb if you are dying in their emergency room. However, this is not the same as catastrophic coverage.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by settrans »

bhouston wrote: post #481
settrans wrote: post #475

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So, the "Shrinking Palestine" graphic is a famous example of misleading Arafat propaganda. The instance you linked displays 4 maps, ostensibly comparing the area of "Palestine" versus "Israel". Each map is wrong: - 1918: At this time, there was no such thing as a state of Israel, nor had there there any administrative district named Palestine nor any Ottoman territory with borders like these. Instead, there was a Bri…

You do realize that most of the West Bank, if not all of it, will be annexed during the Trump administration right? And probably half of Gaza will be annexed as well. It is the end of any two-state solution. Not clear what will happen to the Palestinians there, but it probably won't be great for them. Huckabee, the new US ambassador to Israel, supports both policies per: https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-ambassador…

No, it won't be. Israel doesn't want to grant citizenship to the 3 million Arabs who live there, the vast majority of whom would like to annihilate the state of Israel. There is no plausible path forward for Israel to annex Jenin, Ramallah, Tulkarm, etc., without forcibly expelling the Arabs living there - and that would be wildly unpopular, to say the least.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bhouston »

settrans wrote: post #482
bhouston wrote: post #476

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I didn't say it was an official patch. Settler ambitions are real though: Settlement movement for Southern Lebanon: https://jewishcurrents.org/inside-the-movement-to-settle-sou... . Unclear if this will happen, depends if Israel actually does withdraw fully or not. Resettlement movement for Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_Israeli_resettlement_... . This is likely to happen on Trumps watch in Northern Gaz…

The alleged patch suggests that there is some Israeli ambition to conquer all of the Levant. There is no such Israeli settler movement. As far as Lebanon, there is no mainstream support whatsoever to settle north of the Blue Line. The article you linked describes the idea as "far-right". I would invite you to talk to an Israeli and ask them what they think about Israel annexing Lebanon. Gaza is entirely different. Th…

It is an ideology that is gaining popularity in Israel though. I am regurgitating what Israel's own Finance minister is saying.

"In an interview for the documentary, In Israel: Ministers of Chaos, produced by European public service channel, Arte, [Israel's Finance Minister Bezalel] Smotrich claimed that Israel would expand “little by little” and eventually encompass all Palestinian territories as well as Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia."

https://javafilms.fr/film/israel-ministers-of-chaos/

This is a minister who is very powerful in the current Israeli government. To dismiss this is pretty weird. He doesn't hide his ambitions.

I am actually agreeing with him that this is likely to try to happen least for the foreseeable future. The trends point in this direction.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by mindslight »

thordenmark wrote: post #467
KennyBlanken wrote: post #295

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Reagan's entire administration was swamped in corruption and scandals. People really don't remember just how many investigations, charges, and convictions there were. People only remember Iran-Contra and the hostage crisis; it was so much worse. Reagan even cheated in a televised debate; someone stole Carter's notes and gave them to Reagan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_... Ronald "Small…

All that is saying is that back then the Democrats engaged in lawfare. Nothing new.

Sarcasm doesn't come across well in written comments.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by genman »

mmooss wrote: post #335
readthenotes1 wrote: post #71

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Look a little harder. The people living through the 1970s knew how bad he was and chose to put him out. He had bad staff, bad relations with the overwhelmingly Democratic Congress, and we got the Mayaguez, iran hostage, stagflation, and other troubles too many to list. He was a bad president, a good man, and a great ex-president.

Did he create those problems or inherit them? The situations in Iran, OPEC, etc. long pre-dated Carter. Another problem was a military that was ruined in terms of morale and probably in wear-and-tear by Vietnam.

Some problems he inherited. But Iranian crisis was his own making.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khom...

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by JKCalhoun »

4RealFreedom wrote: post #363
KennyBlanken wrote: post #295

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Reagan's entire administration was swamped in corruption and scandals. People really don't remember just how many investigations, charges, and convictions there were. People only remember Iran-Contra and the hostage crisis; it was so much worse. Reagan even cheated in a televised debate; someone stole Carter's notes and gave them to Reagan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_... Ronald "Small…

"That's higher than any other president by a massive amount" - Any modern president. Abraham Lincoln had a 2859.40% increase. Martin Van Buren had a 1458.32% increase. We've had quite a few over 200%.

One wonders what was going on during Lincoln's presidency that could have contributed to such a massive increase.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by hylaride »

ls612 wrote: post #403
hylaride wrote: post #291

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Reagan and Volcker clashed (at least somewhat publicly). Not long after Reagan came to power, he pushed a massive tax cut that swelled the deficit. Volcker publicly complained that they were too early and were hindering his anti-inflationary work and then proceeded to significantly raise interest rates and only cut them in 1982 after taxes were raised (to lower than they were before the previous cut, but a significan…

The Reagan tax cuts were too big but they got increased substantially during his term after that to be a lot more right sized. He recognized the error and adjusted.

Oh please. He couldn’t get spending cut and congress forced his hand. Taxes were continuously raised to deal with the deficit and it came to a head during the infamous Bush 1 tax rises, that incidentally led to balanced budgets in the late 1990s and evaporated since the subsequent tax cuts.

If anything the Reagan tax reforms and simplification were more important. 90% tax rates are ridiculous, even though nobody paid that in practice due to all the deductions.

I’m not trying to shit on Reagan or anything. He was certainly inspirational, charismatic, and was a huge boost to national morale, but IMO he was overrated and had lucky timing more than he was a great man.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

genman wrote: post #487
mmooss wrote: post #335

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Did he create those problems or inherit them? The situations in Iran, OPEC, etc. long pre-dated Carter. Another problem was a military that was ruined in terms of morale and probably in wear-and-tear by Vietnam.

Some problems he inherited. But Iranian crisis was his own making. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khom...

There was that coup Eisenhower OK'd in 1953. I can see how Carter not supporting another coup would be taken poorly.
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