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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by johnisgood »

tommica wrote: post #463
criddell wrote: post #448

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For very small children it probably doesn't make sense, but when they get a bit older it's not that unusual. My kids have my credit card on their phone for when they need it. They are also joint owners of our bank accounts. We've told them if they ever get the news that we have died, they should go withdraw a bunch of money to carry them over until all the estate stuff settles.

Damn, it's impressive how trusting you are with them. My parents would never had done that. Seems like your kids are being raised well.

Yeah, it is definitely something unheard of around here (never heard of a kid having their parents' credit cards) in Eastern Europe, for all I know.

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Post by [deleted] »

eimrine wrote: post #233
Sajarin wrote: post #39

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Blaming the “system” is easy but is it the whole picture? How much of it is due to culture? Teachers in western countries are not as respected as teachers in other parts of the world. A few teachers abuse their authority and that results in outrage and lawsuits from parents, rightfully so. I can imagine in many schools in the US, if a cellphone ban were to be implemented, there would be a large outcry from parents on…

> Teachers in western countries are not as respected as teachers in other parts of the world. It can not be true for most of Asian countries with a really rich history of beating bad students.

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Post by Vegenoid »

sebgan wrote: post #432
ChrisLTD wrote: post #409

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To what end? Why do school kids need a smartphone?

We got phones for our kids primarily to keep in touch when they are away, especially when they have after school sports, at work (yes, even at 14 they can have gainful employment opportunities like reffing soccer). It would be great if the "smart" phone had a true "dumb" mode where the phone basically becomes a Nokia Blue vintage talk / text device. Not an app you have to install, but something that is part of the OS…

Does iOS not have pretty robust parental controls and locks? I ask this seriously, to see if any parents have experience locking down iPhones against a motivated adversary (their child) within the last few years.

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Post by thrw42A8N »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #469
thrw42A8N wrote: post #445

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My point is - it's under my control, if I didn't know how to do this I'd either accept the ads, pay, or not allow phone usage. There are options. I don't need the government to do that for me, I can decide myself. Here in Europe, phone is necessary for daily life - even as a kid. And it makes it so much easier, better - and interesting, if you teach your kids that. My kids use their phone like a Star Trek tricorder,…

> I don't need the government to do that for me, I can decide myself. What frustrates me about these discussions is the same pro-libertine knee jerk individualist response is parroted for it, even though this choice is not impacting you, or at least, not only and for the purposes of the topic, any impact on you is ancillary. These decisions impact your children, and not just now, but for the rest of their lives. If a…

I have a big problem with comparing a pocket supercomputer to booze. It's nothing like that. And I don't just think that because I can manage, everyone else can. I also think that this regulation will be counter productive.

You raised an interesting point while talking about the professionals at school vs some backwater person. I wish I had your trust in their good intentions and abilities, but where I live these supposed professionals don't even speak English, and they're pushing their conservative agendas. It isn't unusual that my kid googles some bullshit a teacher says and it's proven wrong by a fact checking organization. For example, if my kids couldn't fact check all the shit they said during covid, I would be very unhappy.

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Post by CoryAlexMartin »

dmd wrote: post #439
ben_hn wrote: post #437

It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

This is the same argument people make for not banning guns, and it's a bad argument there too.

It is certainly a stronger argument in the gun case, since defensive usage significantly outweighs criminal usage and most people don't even shoot anyone. Here we're dealing with a situation where being addicted to your smartphone is the norm, not the exception.

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Post by joshuakcockrell »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #462
joenot443 wrote: post #449

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I'm an app developer who's spent my career building excellent iOS apps, previously with Google and Snap. I have every intention of raising my kids as far away from smartphones as possible, ideally until they're at least teenagers. My fiance and I have already discussed keeping the household as de-screened as possible, it's something we consider a lot. It's interesting you'd suggest that an app developer would have a…

That's exactly what I was going to say. Every software dev I know who works on apps, social media, etc. all keep their kids from going near the shit. They know, conflict of interest or not. I've not seen anyone behind these products once they hit a mature state where they start psychologically stripmining their audiences who's eager to get any of their family onboarded.

I worked on the Twitter iOS app. Can confirm my kid isn’t allowed a phone until they’re a teen. Once they get one, I’ll be spending hours figuring out how to MDM brick the thing so they can’t get anywhere near social media.

Having said that, I’m still an app dev (personal finance & budgeting) and I’m excited to onboard my kid into that world.

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Post by greentxt »

tootie wrote: post #459
ben_hn wrote: post #437

It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

It's nothing. This study is narrow and shows no changes in cognitive capability, only sleep. A huge longitudinal study has shown screen time has minimal effect on cognitive ability or behavior of kids: https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/news-events/no-evidence-screen-time... There are far worse things in modern culture that are stressing out kids out.

Do you suppose that study is the final word on topic? Replication is an important part of the scientific process, as are converging lines of evidence.

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Post by create-username »

ben_hn wrote: post #437

It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

Sure. That’s why I guess that my teenage pupils are actually researching scientific evidence when I catch them bare handed rubbing their laps.

I give them the benefit of the doubt because it’s not the mobile phone in class what’s damaging, but only very few uses of it

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Post by create-username »

tootie wrote: post #459
ben_hn wrote: post #437

It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

It's nothing. This study is narrow and shows no changes in cognitive capability, only sleep. A huge longitudinal study has shown screen time has minimal effect on cognitive ability or behavior of kids: https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/news-events/no-evidence-screen-time... There are far worse things in modern culture that are stressing out kids out.

It’s only sleep, something that is not related with mental health, adolescents barely need and they already indulge a lot in

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Post by Vegenoid »

gretch wrote: post #302
DrawTR wrote: post #262

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For what it's worth, the product demands $50 for what is essentially a probably (not endorsing it!) find the NFC code online and just dump it to a tag of your own.

If you know how to do all of this, you probably make more than $100 per hour at your day job (maybe a lot more!). In which case you can jump through all those hoops, or you can just go to work for 30 minutes and then buy it.

I think you’re way off - I don’t know people making that much, but I do know several people who are well capable of that, and have literally embedded NFC tags with their own data in 3D printed things they’ve made. They’re making <$100K (pre-tax)
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