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What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Post by yard2010 »

soueuls wrote: post #448
risenshinetech wrote: post #443

This entire article is clickbait. - Headline "My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch". No, this is not a new car. This is a used car. Finding undocumented switches in a vehicle someone else owned is very common. People modify their cars all the time. Finding an undocumented switch in a new car would be wild. - "And that’s how the search comes to an end. After a bit of perseverance I figured out what it i…

Maybe because "My new car" does not imply that the car itself has never been used? Just that it's YOUR new car.

That's one thing I'm very curious about: is there a way in english to differentiate between "(my new) car" (a used car which is new to me) and "(my) new car" (a new car which is mine)?

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Post by bigallen »

behringer wrote: post #449
j-bos wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not nice to stick eyeballs under people's vestiments. It's not nice to put hands on a stranger. Bad faith actions can be responded to without malice but there is no need to be nice. Non consentual cameras in a private dwelling are never good faith.

why would anyone leave such a system running?

Maybe it’s a prepaid annual membership and the owner forgot/died/didn’t cancel?

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Post by Forgeties79 »

consteval wrote: post #438
dghlsakjg wrote: post #324

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Was Nissan actually collecting this data? All I can find is that the privacy policy retained the right to it (some lawyer probably though about what happens if they accidentally record you getting frisky, and put it in there preemptively), but no evidence if it actually happened.

IMO if the privacy policy allows it, you should always assume it is happening. The reason is with most of this stuff it’s impossible to verify. Even if you wanted to know what data is collected and how’s it’s used - you literally can’t. Even opting out is based on trust. I mean, it’s all done in software. Nothing is physically removed and most of the time the data is still transmitted. You’re just hoping they don’t u…

> IMO if the privacy policy allows it, you should always assume it is happening.

Judging by the responses I’ve been getting this is apparently a controversial stance and we should all just give this stuff away to Nissan then wait to find out what happens.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Post by Forgeties79 »

yellow_postit wrote: post #434
kasey_junk wrote: post #391

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Has Nissan sold this data time and again? Or are you again presenting an assumption as fact. I think assuming a company is selling your data is a completely fair one. But it’s also completely fair to ask that people don’t use language that implies factual knowledge to represent those assumptions. If only to make your argument better you might evaluate your comments and see how your language is weakening it.

Agreed. The false analogy just reduces the likelihood that a real dialogue starts because it’s faux boogie men.

It’s not a faux boogie man. We are literally having a discussion spurred by an extensive report on this exact issue.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Post by bluGill »

bigfatkitten wrote: post #440
bluGill wrote: post #150

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You can convert any ice car to an ev. I takes time but is straight forward

Sure. Other than being extremely expensive unless you've got the skills and facilities to do all the work yourself, and have the time and money to get all the engineering certifications required to make it road legal. If you can do it all yourself, it's only moderately expensive.

In the us at least homebuilt cars slide through a lot of loopholes. And since you are coverting a car you automatically get many things that made the car road legal.

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Post by bluGill »

ddingus wrote: post #269
bluGill wrote: post #147

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While not false, careful defensive driving makes a big difference. But most people hate someone cutting in front of them and so won't maintain large follow ng distances

And maintaining that proper distance can be worse! I try, and often succeed and generally see risks all around. Too close, and often with few or no escape paths means maintaining best case attention and response times for the whole drive. That is tiring and usually just not enough. Too far back means people dropping into the gap non-stop! This too is tiring. I really hate how this aspect of driving.

I have learned to ignore those driving into the gap. In fact one reason for the gap is to leave room for those who need to switch lanes.

in reality not many jump into the gap.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Post by Sanchless »

yard2010 wrote: post #481
soueuls wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because "My new car" does not imply that the car itself has never been used? Just that it's YOUR new car.

That's one thing I'm very curious about: is there a way in english to differentiate between "(my new) car" (a used car which is new to me) and "(my) new car" (a new car which is mine)?

Usually you'd say "brand new" to signal that it's from the factory. It is quite ambiguous otherwise.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Post by potato3732842 »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #421
RobRivera wrote: post #405

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YES!!!!! there's plenty of REAL privacy matters to address than to invent demons and then undermine genuine issues with 'boy who cried wolf'!!!

NO!!!!! We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, and frankly I’m not going to wait to find out I got screwed. When it comes to privacy you have to be proactive, you can’t claw it back.

>We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time

Is the bubble gum bought with the unlimited resources known as "other people's money"?

Political will is zero sum or close to it. It is wasteful to rile people up over hypotheticals when there is no shortage of non-hypotheticals that are just as odious which simply have not been publicized.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Post by Forgeties79 »

potato3732842 wrote: post #488
Forgeties79 wrote: post #421

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NO!!!!! We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, and frankly I’m not going to wait to find out I got screwed. When it comes to privacy you have to be proactive, you can’t claw it back.

>We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time Is the bubble gum bought with the unlimited resources known as "other people's money"? Political will is zero sum or close to it. It is wasteful to rile people up over hypotheticals when there is no shortage of non-hypotheticals that are just as odious which simply have not been publicized.

To handwave this away as a simple hypothetical when this whole discussion is spurred by a thorough analysis by the Mozilla foundation showing this exact issue is, frankly, dishonest. I don’t really know how else to respond. We are having this debate because of a report with credible evidence and accusations. The burden is on you and Nissan et al to convince me to trust them with my biometrics and other info/activity (mostly needlessly) tracked by the car.

This is a very strange hill to die on - in defense of car manufacturers against our privacy rights. Once I buy a car what I do with it is none of their damn business and they sure as hell shouldn’t be _selling_ that info.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Post by klooney »

Loughla wrote: post #320
op00to wrote: post #306

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I love older cars and drove an early 80s Volvo until 2010 or so, but I also love side impact airbags, antilock brakes, and a car that mostly just “works”.

When I was younger I loved having an 84 Chevy Scottsdale. It was a cool looking truck and was easy to work on. I used to love getting under the hood to chase down problems and find solutions. Now my knees hurt when it's cold outside, so crawling around on the ground to fix the fucking u-joint AGAIN isn't that fun, and I also like knowing that my children might survive if we get in a crash; something that's genuinely…

I had a Honda that I loved with a backup camera but no infotainment- it showed a little picture-in-picture on the left hand side of the backup mirror. It was pretty slick.
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