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Trump wins presidency for second time

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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by greggroth »

tlogan wrote: post #448

It’s all about the economy (remember, ‘it’s the economy, stupid’). We keep hearing statistics showing that the economy is doing well, but I have yet to meet anyone who feels like they’re actually better off. I’m not saying that the stats are wrong, but when it comes to politics, you can’t address economic anxiety by just pointing to statistics and saying, ‘Look, the numbers say everything is fine.’

The frustrating thing is that the economy lags policy, and policy has limited influence on the economy to begin with. Inflation rose because the US consumer was ready to spend much faster than the supply chain could recover from the COVID era. The Inflation Reduction Act could only do so much to soften inflation, but the whole thing was blamed on Biden by the average voter.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by km144 »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #422

To the people that are very upset about this, I'd like to offer some silver linings. A blowout in either direction was necessary here. A clear result is better for everyone. The press can go back to being adversarial to power (Although straight faced bullshit like the Cheney firing squad thing will probably only be more common, so thats a double edged sword). The dems will likely stop anointing people. We never have…

1. The margin of victory does not matter—If Trump won, the Democratic establishment would have largely accepted the results and if Harris won, the GOP would have fully rejected the results. Everyone knew this was true. There is a fundamental asymmetry in respect for democracy between the parties.

2. Harris actually did just ruin it for women going forward. The Democratic party has now put forward two women against Trump that arguably both failed in spectacular fashion. It's not really clear to me why they did this, but they did it, and I don't know why we'd see a woman secure a major party's nomination for president in the next couple decades as a result.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by ks2048 »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #422

To the people that are very upset about this, I'd like to offer some silver linings. A blowout in either direction was necessary here. A clear result is better for everyone. The press can go back to being adversarial to power (Although straight faced bullshit like the Cheney firing squad thing will probably only be more common, so thats a double edged sword). The dems will likely stop anointing people. We never have…

> The dems will likely stop anointing people.

You assume the dems will learn from this loss, which is a big assumption.

> We never have to sit through a Trump election campaign again.

If Trump is alive and well in 2028, I'm sure he will try to run again (ignore rules or change them). But, he also said you'll never have to vote again after this one, so we'll find out what he means by that.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by aurareturn »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #436

As a foreigner, it seems like both sides are super extremely marginalised. Both sides believe everything will be done and there will be a big change if the other side wins. Reality is really not that radical, people are being lit up by propoganda. Saying this as a Turkish person, this has been happening in our country almost since I was born and it destroyed politics, normalisation and being calm is much better than…

I agree. American has more wealth than ever but it's not distributed. All these issues that serve to distract people from the one thing that will make the biggest difference in their lives: personal economics.

Elites are really good at doing that. Go pay attention to China, Russia, gun control, birth control, diversity, BLM, transgender rights. Meanwhile, I will continue to disproportionately take more of America's wealth.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by alibarber »

tlogan wrote: post #448

It’s all about the economy (remember, ‘it’s the economy, stupid’). We keep hearing statistics showing that the economy is doing well, but I have yet to meet anyone who feels like they’re actually better off. I’m not saying that the stats are wrong, but when it comes to politics, you can’t address economic anxiety by just pointing to statistics and saying, ‘Look, the numbers say everything is fine.’

I live in Finland which is a pretty 'expensive' country, I come from the UK which is less so but not really cheap. I live/lived in the capitals of both countries pretty much exclusively.

I visited the States in 2019 (Boston), and then didn't until last week (NYC).

The level of inflation in the US for everyday things between that time seemed insanely high compared to anything I'd seen in Europe. How anyone couldn't look at the price of rent and food and whatever and think "5 years ago I was paying a lot less" and have that not feed massively into their decision making process at the (private) ballot box is beyond me.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by Buttons840 »

goethes_kind wrote: post #165

From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…

From a game theory perspective, Trump is like a 2/2 MTG card that deals 10 damage to yourself when played.

Trump, personally, will not do much to contribute to the Republican cause. Trump's contributions will mostly be saying dumb things that get his opposition riled up and energized to vote against him next time. He's also going to be a very old sundowning president--it's Republican's turn to defend that.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by drdrek »

Can the doomers relax? He is mentally unstable and egomaniac, but do you really think the US is this fregile? Have you met CEOs and politicians? most of them are egomaniacs and some are mentally unstable. If the system could not handle them in power the country would have crumbled long ago... Will it be better or worse? who knows. but definitely not OMFG ruined everything gone. Have a day off and calm down.
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