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Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by jonferguy »

One of my larger concerns about using TVs as monitors is security - its important to remember that these devices are not just displays. ACR / Automated Content recognition means that they are also capable network connected framegrabbers and analysers.

If you connect the network to also use it as a TV, if you don't also tick all the right "I do not give you permission" boxes ( and the firmware actually respects these choices ), then your TV will be uploading signatures of everything you watch ( including HDMI inputs ) to the TV manufacturer for them to sell on to advertisers, political parties etc.

While I believe the normal mode of operation is just to upload some kind of image signature / hash, I doubt there is anything that technically or legally stops screenshots being uploaded for "additional analysis".

Note that this is incredibly lucrative for the manufacturers, so their incentives are minimally aligned with protecting our privacy or security here.

https://boingboing.net/2021/11/18/tv-manufacturer-makes-more...

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by elaus »

jonferguy wrote: post #481

One of my larger concerns about using TVs as monitors is security - its important to remember that these devices are not just displays. ACR / Automated Content recognition means that they are also capable network connected framegrabbers and analysers. If you connect the network to also use it as a TV, if you don't also tick all the right "I do not give you permission" boxes ( and the firmware actually respects these…

Also with the advances in local AI processing it seems realistic that the image analysis gets much more powerful and suddenly you have something like Microsoft's Recall but in your monitor/TV (and used _solely_ for profiling and not your benefit).

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by clark_dent »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #169

I've always wondered why everybody would buy "monitors" for computer use. Isn't it the same thing as a television screen? Back then TVs used to take different inputs but everything is digital now. That checkerboard effect is certainly interesting. Someone somewhere is going to be nostalgic about this artifact someday, maybe they'll even make a shader to emulate it. I wonder what causes it and why it disappears in gam…

TVs generally have more input lag, poorer color fidelity, and except at the high end like 8k the pixel size is often inappropriate for viewing close up.

There's less of a gulf now than in the past, but TVs are generally made for media watching at a distance.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by bastard_op »

ponty_rick wrote: post #173
bastard_op wrote: post #171

I've been using 50" 4K/60 TV's (3x actually) as monitors since 2015, and I love them. Prior from about 2007 on I used 6x 24" LCD's, and in wanting to upgrade, didn't make sense to bother with small LCD's to go vertical with another row for 12x displays. I found Samsung curved 4k LCD's at the time for around $650 each shipped around black friday, so it was a no-brainer. I've never looked back really, or would consider…

If its not too much of an intrusion, can you share a picture of your setup?

Here's a shot of them showing a game spread across them. https://imgur.com/a/wv6Wdx7

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by clark_dent »

rho4 wrote: post #447

Reposting my experience from my comment on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcmonitors/comments/163yjj8/c... I have been using a 55" 8K QE55QN700BT ($1400) at home since Jan. 2023 and a 55" 8K QE55QN700C ($1100 on sale) at the office since August 2023. I can tell you that I will never go back, but there is definitely room for improvement. Biggest negative: Sitting close (~12"), the far areas are probably at >45…

12" viewing distance?! It sounds like you should be spending more at the optometrist and less at Best Buy. I cannot even imagine sitting that close to a screen--don't you have to turn your head just to see both sides of a document?

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by AceyMan »

nicman23 wrote: post #443
esafak wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't maximize windows except to watch videos at that size. It's more like having multiple monitors with fluid borders. You focus as needed, leaving the rest in your peripheral vision. That said I did miss maximizing windows to focus on tasks.

yeah key binds to move windows around is a must for me

Aquasnap for Windows users has been great (it's a tiling window manager). Worth the ~30USD.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by danans »

I use a 55" TV as a primary monitor at my desk also (alas only 4k). I've found that as tempting as it may seem to use the entire 55", at normal eye-distance, it's too big an area to track and it requires 45 degree head-rotations to scan across it (i.e to shift my focus from one window to another). It's like sitting in the front row of a big movie theater.

What I do instead is configure the desktop to only use the equivalent of about a 36" display. That way it works like a single large monitor that I can scan left to right with mostly just eye movement.

Why have a big TV as a monitor only to use a smaller portion of the screen? The TV reverts to just being a TV during non-work hours (when we use its full dimensions), so it doesn't feel like wasted real-estate - in fact it frees up space for me in the office by doing double-duty as a monitor and a TV.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by vel0city »

alias_neo wrote: post #432
arkh wrote: post #407

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I feel like there are not good quality hardware company nowadays. Dell: the land of motherboard dying and dog shit trackpads. Asus: dead soldered RAM. Most BIOS: too long to boot, it's fucking 2024 what is your BIOS doing it needs more than 2s to boot? It was taking the same time to boot 30 years ago. Every mouse: double click problem due to wrong use of the actuators. And every hardware company has to try to cram so…

> too long to boot, it's fucking 2024 what is your BIOS doing it needs more than 2s to boot? Me crying in first-gen Ryzen/x370 with my upward of 20 seconds POST time.

Why does it take that long to post? I've had multiple Ryzen 300-series motherboards, none of them take anywhere near that long to boot outside of using something like some server-grade HBA that has its own boot step.
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