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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by zitterbewegung »

jjcm wrote: post #448

Since this thread seems to be about niche asks for pro users, despite the product being targeted towards casual users who want an easy out of the box experience, I'll add my own to the mix. I'd love a bigger/better screen on these, specifically an ultrawide variety. An iMac Pro with an 8k ultrawide would be a near-instant purchase for me. I find the ultrawide form factor so good for productivity. I love the apple "it…

Unfortunately the iMac Pro was a stopgap measure similar to the 16 inch iMac that had the escape key. Even the last MacBook Air with Intel is really a testbed for the design of the first M1 MacBook Air (the mainboard is the only thing that changed). Apple has taken the steps to make the Mac Studio and other display devices made by them but, curved displays don't seem to be a strategy that Apple would take because right now they might move to tandem OLED on all devices which means even considering something curved isn't on the drawing board.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by racl101 »

jfoster wrote: post #76

I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

They are perfect for suuuuuper casual people. Perfect for your grandparents for example. Most people I know who own these are elderly. Yes, an iPad would also work or a MacBook too but elderly people aren't travelling nor are they gonna buy a MacMini and get a monitor. They just need their simple to set up, all-in-one desktop computer.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by acdha »

fsflover wrote: post #450
acdha wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s overstating what happened there and what was sent. OCSP validation happened only for signed executables and the only bit of information is the hash of the developer certificate being verified, which was not logged in conjunction with your IP. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/mac-certificate-chec... Typically when there are concerns about phoning home it’s both more detailed information and something bei…

There are a lot of good explanations in my link why the current setup is outrageous, including the danger of deanonymization of Tor users by Apple.

There’s a lot of uninformed speculation, you mean. The Tor part, for example, was guessing which was not correct.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by carstenhag »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #219
simonw wrote: post #144

As someone who mucks around with running LLMs and other large models on my computer the 32GB maximum RAM is a show-stopper for me. I'm on a M2 with 64GB at the moment and I'm already regretting not going for 96 or even 128. I want to be able to run a large model AND other apps at the same time.

I really wish that "elite" LLM folks like yourself or many others in the field would just abandon apple/mac. Yes, they make better laptops from a hardware perspective. No, M series chips are not actually competitive with Nvidia hardware on anything except cheap (and relatively slow) inference of big models. The fact that windows laptops are considered DOA despite the insane amount of inertia behind Nvidia GPUs is jus…

I don't do LLM so I can't comment there. But in general, devs/pros would use windows/linux laptops if they could. All we get is crappy build quality or bad battery endurance or bad performance (CPU or super basic stuff like the touchpad etc) or bad software.

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Post by space_oddity »

jxdxbx wrote: post #472
jfoster wrote: post #76

I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

For a long time the best Apple display you could get was in the iMacs. An iMac with nothing used with it besides a wireless keyboard and mouse, where you can even hide the ethernet port in the power brick, makes for a nice clean desk.

Absolutely, the iMac’s display quality has been a big draw for years, especially when Apple's external display options were limited.

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Post by fsflover »

acdha wrote: post #484
fsflover wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of good explanations in my link why the current setup is outrageous, including the danger of deanonymization of Tor users by Apple.

There’s a lot of uninformed speculation, you mean. The Tor part, for example, was guessing which was not correct.

How is this not correct? Apple knows when I open Tor browser, which enables a timing attack.

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Post by space_oddity »

gehsty wrote: post #441
jfoster wrote: post #76

I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

I think iMacs end up where someone wants a computer to look nice (either personally or professionally). You could have these in a none tech environment and they will look good.

iMacs have always been as much about aesthetics as performance, and they do fit beautifully in environments where style is key, like design studios

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by euroderf »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #366

Right now, the Apple computer lineup is totally out of alignment for me. The iMac is too small and the laptops are too big. I'd like a minimum 27" display for the iMac, maybe 31". For a laptop, give me something more portable, like the old 2 pound, 12" MacBook.

AFAICT the 11" Mac Air failed in the market. It did not last long in the lineup.
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