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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by falcor84 »

Toorkit wrote: post #14

Computers were supposed to be these amazing machines that are super precise. You tell it to do a thing, it does it. Nowadays, it seems we're happy with computers apparently going RNG mode on everything. 2+2 can now be 5, depending on the AI model in question, the day, and the temperature...

This sounds to me like a straw man argument. Obviously 2+2 will always give you 4, in any modern LLM, and even just in the Chrome address bar.

Can you offer a real situation where we should expect the LLM to return a deterministic answer and should rightly be concerned that we're getting a stochastic one?

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by xdennis »

makin wrote: post #16
sovietmudkipz wrote: post #4

I am tired and hungry… The thing I’m tired of is elites stealing everything under the sun to feed these models. So funny that copyright is important when it protects elites but not when a billion thefts are committed by LLM folks. Poor incentives for creators to create stuff if it just gets stolen and replicated by AI. I’m hungry for more lawsuits. The biggest theft in human history by these gang of thieves should be…

I'm sorry if this is strawmanning you, but I feel you're basically saying it's in the public's interest to give more power to Intellectual Property law, which historically hasn't worked out so well for the public.

> you're basically saying it's in the public's interest to give more power to Intellectual Property law

Not necessarily. An alternative could be to say that all models trained on data which hasn't been explicitly licensed for AI-training should be made public.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

9dev wrote: post #401
cubefox wrote: post #250

I'm not tired, I'm afraid. First, I'm afraid of technological unemployment. In the past, automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough. But superhuman AI seems now only few years away. It will be our last invention, it will mean total automation. There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. Many countries will likely move away from a job-based market…

> There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. A highly white-collar perspective. The great irony of technologist-led industrial revolution is that we set out to automate the mundane, physical labor, but instead cannibalised the creative jobs first. It's a wonderful example of Conway's law, as the creators modelled the solution after themselves. However, even with a lot of programmers and lawyers…

It's a matter of time. White collar professionals have to worry about being cost-competitive with GPUs; blue collar laborers have to worry about being cost-competitive with servomotors. Those are both hard to keep up with in the long run.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by triceratops »

logicchains wrote: post #358
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly the most depressing thing about this entire affair is seeing not the entire, certainly but a sizable chunk of the software development community jump behind OpenAI and company’s blatant theft on an industrial scale of the mental products of probably literally billions of people (not the least of whom is other software developers! ) with absolutely not the slightest hint of concern about what that means for t…

>blatant theft on an industrial scale of the mental products They haven't been stolen; the creators still have them. They've just been copied. It's amazing how much the ethos on this site has shifted over the past decade, away from the hacker idea that "intellectual property" isn't real property, just a means of growing corporate power, and information wants to be free.

So why isn't every language model out there "open"?

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #424
cubefox wrote: post #250

I'm not tired, I'm afraid. First, I'm afraid of technological unemployment. In the past, automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough. But superhuman AI seems now only few years away. It will be our last invention, it will mean total automation. There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. Many countries will likely move away from a job-based market…

At any given moment we see these kinds comments on here. They all read like a burgeoning form of messianism: something is to come, and it will be terrible/glorious. Behind either the fear or the hope, is necessarily some utter faith that a certain kind of future will happen. And I think thats the most interesting thing. Because here is the thing, in this particular case you are afraid something inhuman will take cont…

It's not hard to find a religious analogy to anything, so that also shouldn't be seen as a particularly powerful argument.

(Expressed at length here): https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/03/25/is-everything-a-religi...

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by mrweasel »

matwood wrote: post #385
rich_sasha wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some great grand ancestor of mine was a civil servant, a great achievement given his peasant background. The single skill that enabled it was the knowledge of calligraphy. He went to school and wrote nicely and that was sufficient. The flip side was, calligraphy was sufficient evidence for both his education to whoever hired him, and for a recipient of a document, of its official nature. Calligraphy itself or course…

> We can no longer assume that a book is legit simply because it looks legit. The problem is that this has been an issue for a long time. My first interactions with the internet in the 90s came along with the warning "don't automatically trust what you read on the internet". I was speaking to a librarian the other day who teaches incoming freshman how to use LLMs. What was shocking to me is that the librarian said a…

One of the issues today is the volume of content produced, and that journalism and professional writing is dying. LLMs produce large amounts of "good enough" quality to make a profit.

In the 90s we could reasonably trust that that the major news sites and corporate websites was true, while random forums required a bit more critical reading. Today even formerly trusted sites may be using LLMs to generate content along with automatic translations.

I wouldn't necessarily put the blame on LLMs, this just make it easier. The trolls and spammers was always there, now they just have a more powerful tool. The commercial sites now have a tool they don't understand, which they apply liberally, because it reduces cost, or their staff use it, to get out of work, keep up with deadlines or to cover up incompetence. So, not the fault of the LLMs, but their use is worsening existing trends.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by falcor84 »

rsynnott wrote: post #360
thewarrior wrote: post #127

I’m tired of farming - Someone in 5000 BC I’m tired of electricity - Someone in 1905 I’m tired of consumer apps - Someone in 2020 The revolution will happen regardless. If you participate you can shape it in the direction you believe in. AI is the most innovative thing to happen in software in a long time. And personally AI is FUN. It sparks joy to code using AI. I don’t need anyone else’s opinion I’m having a blast.…

I'm tired of 3d TV - Someone in 2013 (3D TV, after a big push by the industry in 2010, peaked in 2013, going into a rapid decline with the last hardware being produced in 2016). Sometimes, the hyped thing doesn't catch on, even when the industry really, really wants it to.

That's an interesting example. I would argue that 3D TV as a "solution" didn't work, but 3D as a "problem" is still going strong, and with new approaches coming out all the time (most recently Meta's announcement of the Orion AR glasses), we'll gradually see extensive adoption of 3D experiences, which I expect will eventually loop back to some version of 3D films.

EDIT: To clarify my analogy, GenAI is definitely a "problem" rather than a particular solution, and as such I expect it to have longevity.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by syncr0 »

koliber wrote: post #45

I am approaching AI with caution. Shiny things don't generally excite me. Just this week I installed cursor, the AI-assisted VSCode-like IDE. I am working on a side project and decided to give it a try. I am blown away. I can describe the feature I want built, and it generates changes and additions that get me 90% there, within 15 or so seconds. I take those changes, and carefully review them, as if I was doing a cod…

"I say your civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about." - Agent Smith

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." - Dune

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by ronsor »

Validark wrote: post #242

One thing that I hate about the post-ChatGPT world is that people's genuine words or hand-drawn art can be classified as AI-generated and thrown away instantly. What if I wanted to talk at a conference and used somebody's AI trigger word so they instantly rejected me even if I never touched AI at all? This has already happened in academia where certain professors just dump(ed) their student's essays into ChatGPT and…

That's a people problem, not an AI problem.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

dotnet00 wrote: post #469
noobermin wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're writing, how are you "missing out" if you're not using chatgpt??? I don't even understand how this can be unless what you're writing is already unnecessary such that you shouldn't need to write it in the first place.

LLMs are surprisingly capable editors/brainstorming tools. So, you're missing out in that you're being less efficient in editing. Like, you can write a bunch of text, then ask an LLM to improve it with minimal changes. Then, you read through its output and pick out the improvements you like.

Sure, but Grammarly and similar have existed far before the LLM boom.
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