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Post by jwells89 »

dkga wrote: post #406
wwweston wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse. For me it's slightly more complicated than that. I would probably still be using my 2016 iPhone SE with its headphone jack and size if (a) it was still receiving OS updates and (b) iOS bloat didn't make it slow. Would love it if the battery swap were easy for the end user to do, but TBH paying $100 to have it done every few years…

Sorry, jumping in here. I don’t think it’s so much iOS gloat as much as app gloat. Take a look at their sizes, it’s absolutely bonkers and unjustified.

App bloat really is out of control, to the point that I wonder if maybe Apple shouldn't somehow incentivize developers to minimize bundle size and resource consumption. Maybe well-crafted, efficient apps get an "eco friendly" badge and their own section of the App Store or something.

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Post by sroussey »

conductr wrote: post #373
arcticbull wrote: post #274

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> If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse. Battery replacement costs at Apple are $69-99 and offered all the way back to the iPhone SE 1st Generation. That's the all-in cost where you bring it in, they open it up, swap it out, and give your phone back to you. An OEM battery for an Android phone is like $50. Budgeting $69-99 once every 3-4 years hardly seems like it's goin…

My thing is the battery timeline matches pretty closely to when I’m just ready for something new. I go bare, no case, so by 3-4 years my screen is scratched and scuffed enough to just do full replacement. I usually notice the speed leap too and how certain apps were severely unoptimized for my older device. So that’s nice too. But it’s not ever felt like a “upgrade” in a very long time because I don’t have any new fe…

I’ve gone back to no case since the Ceramic Shield and it’s been great. Excited for the improvements in the next model. I hate cases and will no go back.

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Post by Terretta »

jtriangle wrote: post #398
arcticbull wrote: post #274

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> If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse. Battery replacement costs at Apple are $69-99 and offered all the way back to the iPhone SE 1st Generation. That's the all-in cost where you bring it in, they open it up, swap it out, and give your phone back to you. An OEM battery for an Android phone is like $50. Budgeting $69-99 once every 3-4 years hardly seems like it's goin…

You missed the user bit of what you're replying to. There are android phones that have this ability, I have one. New batteries are ~20 bucks, and they take about 5 minutes to swap, most of which is shutdown/boot time. I can take my phone out innawoods and use offline GPS all day, and as a flashlight at night, by just bringing a pocketfull of batteries. When a battery goes bad, I toss it in the recycle bucket, and buy…

> the user* bit*

"The masses" do not want to carry a bag of spare batteries. The masses don't want to have to think about it.

The latest generation devices are mostly "don't have to think about it" on batteries.

> New batteries are ~20 bucks

Gotta love those after-market or counterfeit high density inflammable energy packs crammed against your body or the bagful of 9 spares left in your car...

https://www.motleyrice.com/news/lithium-ion-batteries-explos...

Getting worse, not better:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/tech/lithium-ion-battery-fire...

I want real ones from a real company spending real money on R&D, that I "know where they live" if it's a problem.

Speaking of quality, I can use current iPhone off grid with offline GPS all day, and use it again the next day — without taking any battery packs.

The new "max" devices clock effectively two day battery life if you are conscious of what you're using it for (say, camping out off grid instead of doomscrolling Insta, for instance). I find even 3 or 4 sometimes if you're not picking it up and are in low energy and low data mode. Definitely 3 - 4 if you shut it off while asleep. It's nuts.

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Post by winstonp »

thom wrote: post #452

Does the new camera button thingy happen to be a fingerprint scanner as well? I live in a constant state of rage with Face ID, longing for my iPhone 8 Plus with its Home button and the ability to pay for things in one fluid motion.

It's not. Your problems with Face ID seem to be of a super minority of users -- 99% of people I know have no problems with it.

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Post by jacobn »

thom wrote: post #452

Does the new camera button thingy happen to be a fingerprint scanner as well? I live in a constant state of rage with Face ID, longing for my iPhone 8 Plus with its Home button and the ability to pay for things in one fluid motion.

The fact that they have touch id on some of the ipad side power buttons, but not on the iphone, is so annoying. Face id is both great and terrible, and complementing it with touch id to cover the >5% of cases where face id fails would be such an improvement.

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Post by rqtwteye »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #55
pistolpeteDK wrote: post #20

Interesting to see how they're marketing increasingly minor improvements as major breakthroughs. 16 Pro: Better camera, more zoom, dedicated camera button… isn’t that it? WiFi 7, faster ray tracing, USB-C/USB 3? Hard to imagine many people really need that. Have we witnessed peak Apple? Apple Watch: minimal updates. AirPods Max: new color. AirPods: some minor tweaks.

Smartphone has reached its peak. What's left to innovate? maybe Huawei's triple-fold phone(?)

The same happened with laptops a long time ago. They basically do everything that's needed.

But in general I agree that the innovation output of Apple is really low compared to their size. But that seems to be the case for most of these mega trillion dollar companies. The bigger, the more conservative they get. But they are very good at making profits so it's all good as far as the CEO's bonus goes.

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Post by KoolKat23 »

jacobn wrote: post #475
KoolKat23 wrote: post #461

They mention battery life in this release 11 times without saying how long the battery will last. Please Apple, even just a typical usage number would be great. It's been many generations since I've had an Apple device, and each year they release a new one I try figure out how long the battery lasts, to no avail. Nobody I know has bought a Max Pro either. With Apple, you never know, it could still be 10 hours battery…

The only number I could find was 22/27 hours of video playback for 16/16 Pro, you can compare that to older models on https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ that might give some indication?

Thanks this is perfect. That's really decent battery life.

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Post by camjohnson26 »

sroussey wrote: post #462
mithr wrote: post #349

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I don't know that I completely agree. To some degree, sure — most folks probably don't notice the year-to-year updates in e.g. computing power. But my 70yo mother, who is pretty far from being technologically savvy, uses continuity every day to copy one-time-use codes from her phone to her computer, even though she'd have no idea what the term "continuity" means in this context. She notices that it's easier to snap b…

Battery can be replaced by going to the apple store and buying a new one which is cheaper than a new phone, so I agree with you on that. Phone definitely last longer so 6 years sounds about right, as after that they tend to get obsolete.

I had no idea this was possible, but yeah, going to “battery health” in my Settings shows battery health is degraded, and provides a link to schedule a replacement.

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Post by callalex »

pistolpeteDK wrote: post #20

Interesting to see how they're marketing increasingly minor improvements as major breakthroughs. 16 Pro: Better camera, more zoom, dedicated camera button… isn’t that it? WiFi 7, faster ray tracing, USB-C/USB 3? Hard to imagine many people really need that. Have we witnessed peak Apple? Apple Watch: minimal updates. AirPods Max: new color. AirPods: some minor tweaks.

And they still can’t figure out how to make the battery replaceable even though they claim to care so much for the environment.

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Post by akira2501 »

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

> It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring".

The church of American consumerism is so galling to me. This is a trillion dollar corporation that famously involves itself in tax schemes to avoid paying the face value rate that any other smaller corporation would have to pay.

You feel "ungrateful" or "cynical" because they aren't innovating?

Good lord man. Get out of that church.

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