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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by floren »

p1mrx wrote: post #385
robotelvis wrote: post #335

I recently joined my local Elks club and the experience has been amazing. Being social is effortless. I just show up at the lodge and people I know will be there. As a parent I can let the kids run wild with other kids within the safe confines of the lodge and have adult conversations. If I don’t have plans, I don’t need to sit home reading the internet. I go to the lodge. It’s weird that groups like the Elks have de…

> It’s weird that groups like the Elks have declined so much in recent decades https://www.elks.org/who/missionStatement.cfm "To be accepted as a member, one must [...] believe in God" There are groups like UU and Sunday Assembly that don't have this requirement.

I've gone as far as filling out the form given to me by an Elk who was willing to sponsor me but when I got to the part where you have to affirm that belief I just couldn't make a solid case to myself.

It seems there are plenty of Elks who are aware this is a problem, but change is slow.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by Ezhik »

gary_0 wrote: post #214
kelseyfrog wrote: post #82

Well, yes, we've doubled down on mediating social interactions through economic relationships. Most of the interactions adults have in their lives are with or in the framing of economic relations. Homes, are being invaded with tablets and mobile devices which bring along with them framing interactions as economic relations through ad and consumer frames. Workplaces are inherently settings of economic relations, and t…

A lot of the things people used to do on the Internet for fun, they now do for money or "points" (or the subconscious desire to do for money if they become successful enough). In the past, things you posted online tended to get a small number of manual responses from people you had a chance of forming an actual relationship with. Now, a good deal of interaction is mediated by a corporate algorithm (or an up/downvote…

I miss the pointless internet.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by Animats »

ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #314
krapp wrote: post #256

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God is not true, at least not the sense that any religion claims (God as an abstraction and a meme is as real as any other, as real as Harry Potter or Slenderman) Claims of absolute moral right or authority derived from divine right are not true. Claims made by the religious that belief in God is a prerequisite to morality, community or cultural identity are not true. Claims made by religious teachings about the natu…

God is not a testable hypothesis. There is no empirical way to conclude God does not exist except by assuming that anything that cannot be tested does not exist. Such an assumption also rules out morality, as there is no empirical basis for that either. Assuming you're utilitarian, you're working off of the untestable belief that making people happier has some property called 'goodness', and that there is some inhere…

> God is not a testable hypothesis.

An activist god, in the old testament sense, would be rather visible.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by Dalewyn »

aftbit wrote: post #371
volkl48 wrote: post #303

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At least in the US, most aircraft have internet now - many people are not offline. And even if they're not paying for the internet service, a number of airlines deliver their free entertainment services through personal devices - so they may be watching the same sort of content that would be in a seatback TV on other airlines. Speaking personally: I also tend to just load entire books onto my phone for flights. Readi…

Does anyone remember when the TVs on airplanes hung down from the ceiling and there was only one or maybe two movies on the flight? There was either nothing on the back of the seat, or there was a very expensive satellite telephone. I still do what I did then - read. I just read on a Kindle now instead of a stack of paperback books bought at the airport.

A fond memory I have from about 25 years ago when I was still a kid:

I was flying economy on KLM with my mom and dad, family vacation to Europe. About a few hours prior to landing, the crew put on some Mr. Bean movies. Back then at least on that flight as far as I can still remember, there weren't seatback screens; only those dropdown TV screens on the ceiling above the aisles, so everyone had to watch Mr. Bean.

Well tell you what, Mr. Bean is bloody hilarious and I was a kid. I couldn't help but burst out laughing even though I knew it was bad manners, and in short order the entire cabin was laughing with me. That was a fun day.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by collingreen »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #293
collingreen wrote: post #265

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I understand your frustration but I expect there are a lot of things that go into that decision. I expect adding a fee to parking makes it possible to enforce time limits, to remove squatting, and to ensure there are actually spots available. I doubt it is for the money but even if it is the park systems tend to be horribly underfunded (and often have to be held up with private donation money). A lot of our broken th…

> From your rant we know you'll pick free open spots compared to paid open spots but what if the choice is between paid open spots and no spots at all? I wouldn't know, there weren't any free spots, open or otherwise, for consideration. > Or worse, paid open spots or shady looking cars parked all day selling drugs? I'm not sure what constitutes a shady car in your mind. I'm pretty sure no one in my neighborhood sells…

I agree with everything you've said here.

My only contribution was that I've seen folks make these kind of choices in good faith even though it isn't directly a thing they want because it's the best of the tools in their toolboxes.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by [deleted] »

philip1209 wrote: post #66

The books the authors cite are great and worth reading. Some personal observations: - The USA lacks a unified cultural identity now. There are lots of reasons for this. But, it's considered taboo to express a love of the USA - which hurts our community + culture. - People put a lot of effort into work, and work is becoming more transactional. No more "life-long employment with the buddies" kind of situation. - Americ…

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by slater »

djom wrote: post #477
muffinman26 wrote: post #470

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Do you realize that these laws that are supposed to "protect women" mean that I, a trans guy who was assigned female at birth but now have a full beard and look completely male in any clothes considered acceptable in public settings, am required to use the women's restroom and changing rooms in Florida? Is forcing an angry (trans) man to use the women's restroom your idea of "protecting women's spaces"?

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by gary_0 »

Ezhik wrote: post #482
gary_0 wrote: post #214

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A lot of the things people used to do on the Internet for fun, they now do for money or "points" (or the subconscious desire to do for money if they become successful enough). In the past, things you posted online tended to get a small number of manual responses from people you had a chance of forming an actual relationship with. Now, a good deal of interaction is mediated by a corporate algorithm (or an up/downvote…

I miss the pointless internet.

Me too. Nowadays if you die on the internet, you die in real life!

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by mistermann »

Filligree wrote: post #203
phil21 wrote: post #180

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The mad rush to as quickly abolish religious practices in mainstream U.S. culture without any form of societal replacement is puzzling to me. I am no fan of religion having grown up in an exceedingly religious environment. But it was always completely obvious to me even as a child that the primary purpose of religion was to form local communities and have others with shared values to rely on. We seem to be doing it w…

> The mad rush to as quickly abolish religious practices in mainstream U.S. culture without any form of societal replacement is puzzling to me. > I am no fan of religion having grown up in an exceedingly religious environment. But it was always completely obvious to me even as a child that the primary purpose of religion was to form local communities and have others with shared values to rely on. It is a problem, but…

> religion isn’t true

What does this even mean?

> How do you square that with any sort of culture that values reality?

Is reality true? Like all these agents in the comment section below who claim to know the unknowable, are they true?

That model of reality you are describing, thinking that it is reality itself, is that true?

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by Dalewyn »

diputsmonro wrote: post #240
saulpw wrote: post #215

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There are people who vote Republican in private, and they are different from those who loudly proclaim their Republicanism to everyone they encounter. It might be a shame that the private Republicans vote how they do, but that doesn't have to affect their ability to engage with trans people, or vice versa. So I would say the problem is not the ideological divide per se, but the 'identity' politics which makes both si…

> ...but that doesn't have to affect their ability to engage with trans people, or vice versa. I disagree. How am I supposed to trust and feel safe around someone who knowingly voted for a politician who loudly campaigned on removing my rights and demonizing my very existence? A politician who supports an esoteric policy that disadvantages me in some way is entirely different than one who loudly and plainly says that…

>I disagree. How am I supposed to trust and feel safe around someone who knowingly voted for a politician who loudly campaigned on removing my rights and demonizing my very existence?

Because almost all that "demonizing", et al. is just political marketing that will mean nothing if they get into office.

I vote Republican because, as a Japanese-American, I sincerely can't stand the constant identity politics the Left/Democrats want to play on me. No, I'm not a "BIPOC", I'm an American. I'm a minority and an Asian as far as objective facts go, but I'm an American. At least the Right/Republicans seem more content to just call me an American and leave me alone.

But at the end of the day, I have no issues mingling with Leftists/Democrats if they have the decency to leave their politics at the front doors of their houses just like I do my Right/Republican politics.

Also, it's such a fucking stupid thing to not be friendly with each other just because of political differences.

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