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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by cheema33 »

dheera wrote: post #460
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

No. The staunch Republicans will still vote for Trump and the only way to beat that is for there to be an incredibly cohesive force among a population that isn't very cohesive in the first place. The Republicans actually have it easy, they align and bond on lots of things. The center and left align on very few things and fight amongst themselves. A mixed ticket isn't going to align them better.

> The Republicans actually have it easy, they align and bond on lots of things.

I have seen some videos of Trump voters who are claiming that JD Vance is a traitor to the white race for marrying a non-white. And their kids have non-white names.

They are quite upset about this. Some of them are so disgusted by this that they might not vote at all. One can only hope.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by lotsoweiners »

cheema33 wrote: post #459
woodruffw wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? I think it would be very hard to convince the liberal-progressive base (i.e. the core of the party) of the DNC to go for this. > Has it ever been done? Before the 12th Amendment was passed, the VP came from the opposing party[1]. This didn't work particularly well in practice, which is why nobody remembers…

> I think it would be very hard to convince the liberal-progressive base (i.e. the core of the party) of the DNC to go for this. I am quite liberal. I'd vote for this a million times before I'd consider Trump as a president.

Sounds like they were going to get your vote either way so why would the democratic party go for this?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by _heimdall »

egypturnash wrote: post #412
jzb wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simplest may not be best here. Is Harris the person who is most likely to get people to the polls and vote Dem? Is she someone who can convert independent/undecided voters? etc. IMO those are not easy "yes, absolutely" answers. Does the Democratic party have anyone in the wings who is more likely to win than Harris? Maybe? Gretchen Whitmer might be a strong candidate, off the top of my head. But I'm struggling to thi…

The polling before this announcement was showing Harris with better numbers vs. Trump than Biden had, at least.

I honestly didn't have much faith in that polling. The media was scrambling after the debate to propose a different narrative and many in the party that were turning on Biden were promoting Harris.

The polling seemed too convenient. I don't have a link handy, but the best poll process I saw after the debate did show Harris doing better than Biden, but she was still worse off than a few of the other Democratic potentials.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by neverbehind »

LetsGoApp wrote: post #138
ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

Biden's wise choice exemplifies true leadership, and ultimately, it's a testament to the enduring influence of Barack Obama, the Democratic Party's revered elder statesman, who remains a powerful force to this day.

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by unraveller »

slater wrote: post #274
asdf1145 wrote: post #254

why were no political posts allowed when trump assassination attempt a week ago and this is now in front page?

There was a thread; they are allowed. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The assassination attempt was suppressed until people had discussed it from all angles thoroughly elsewhere and gave up trying to discuss here. Definitely not allowed in the normal sense. But here it's nothing but an instant popup blue rally, for something was totally expected.

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Post by kid64 »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #449
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

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It would be extremely odd for anyone in your right-wing media bubble to be "excited" about Harris, how is this a relevant data point?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by [deleted] »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #216
gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

how do you measure who is effective?

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by ajb »

majewsky wrote: post #110
bilekas wrote: post #22

This is wild. It seems super late in the game but okay. I'm super interested to see what will become of his chips act etc. The push he has tried to do to remove dependencies on TSMC is very forward thinking. Hopefully the next candidate takes up the momentum. Edit : Typo in TSMC

> It seems super late in the game but okay. Why does the US in specific have such drawn-out campaigns? Earlier this week, I saw a pundit commenting that 4 months before the election is too short notice to pick a new candidate. But there's countries in Europe that announce elections, pick candidates, do the campaigns, go to the pools, do the counts, and have the electees take office, all in less than 4 months (see e.g…

The UK always has a Leader of the Opposition ready to make the case that they could be the next Prime Minister.

Technically we only vote for the representative in our local constituency, but who is going to end up PM is a big factor. We know what the options are before the election is announced: the current PM and the Leader of the Opposition (although in theory the leader of one of the smaller parties is also possible). Therefore no need for a primary process.

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