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Panic at the Job Market

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Re: Panic at the Job Market

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Post by ttyprintk »

spamizbad wrote: post #377
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #125

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All of his analysis about financial markets, can apply to all jobs, all hiring. Don't think he explicitly states that, but all hiring is down. Or at least all entry positions it seems like. From a SWE perspective. Doesn't it seem like systems are falling apart? You can only cut back programmer/tech jobs for so long, someone has to know how it all works. This is what I don't get, all around me, people don't know how t…

I predict that in a few years we're going to see a lot of these companies get "disrupted" by new entrants who eschewed current trends and actually make proper investments in technology, allowing them to build things people actually want to use. What's interesting is the tech industry itself made a big deal about how it disrupted dinosaurs who under-invested in technology only for them slowly fall into the same trap.…

That’s how I see it. We’ll give enough business info to AI and ask it to design a disruptive competitor. Half the time, it’s design will lose upper management in favor of a team of endurance problem solvers.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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bmitc wrote: post #303
klyrs wrote: post #287

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As a literal graph theorist, I cannot tell you how frustrating it is that (a) nobody seems to understand my work except (b) interviewers use it as a shibboleth to exclude people from jobs that will never need high performance graph algorithms. That, I never get called for these interviews because I don't use react angles or something, but if they did, I'd crush the interview and fall asleep at my desk once they start…

In general, people are completely uninterested in experience that they don't understand, I've found. They don't want to even ask about it because it would showcase that they, gasp, don't know something that you do.

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Re: Panic at the Job Market

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Post by salty_biscuits »

klyrs wrote: post #287
bmitc wrote: post #249

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> Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideration your particular profile or the contributions you can make. This is really key. I have applied for jobs before, and then get questions like: "what's your experience with C++ or advanced graph algorithms?". Only that, none of that shows up in my profile or resume. But they act surprised and completely shrug off how a decade of software and other relev…

As a literal graph theorist, I cannot tell you how frustrating it is that (a) nobody seems to understand my work except (b) interviewers use it as a shibboleth to exclude people from jobs that will never need high performance graph algorithms. That, I never get called for these interviews because I don't use react angles or something, but if they did, I'd crush the interview and fall asleep at my desk once they start…

It is fun if you ever find yourself in this situation because you can play the uno reverse card on the interviewer and ask to clarify with impenetrable jargon and look for rising panic (can I assume the graph contains a Hamiltonian circuit? etc, etc)

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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Post by theendisney »

You should start by treating a job search like a job. Get up at 8 and work 8 hours every day of the week. Lengthy interviews are great as you wont have to struggle figuring out what useful task to spend the hours on.

You can also share your schedule in the interviews and disclose other interview processes in progress. They might find talking about interviewing more interesting than your interview. Working with them succesfully might be more important than your skills.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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Post by greybox »

gosub100 wrote: post #322
bmitc wrote: post #249

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> Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideration your particular profile or the contributions you can make. This is really key. I have applied for jobs before, and then get questions like: "what's your experience with C++ or advanced graph algorithms?". Only that, none of that shows up in my profile or resume. But they act surprised and completely shrug off how a decade of software and other relev…

Does that company hire or recruiter hire h1b? In order to get h1b approval, you have to make the case that "we interviewed x,000 people and we just can't find any qualified applicants! ". I'm starting to suspect that the industry has learned to set salaries low and churn enough applicants in order to reduce costs. One way to churn them is to do a phone screen and find a quick way to legally get rid of them. Then once…

[reference needed] - I read a study from a few years ago suggesting that H1B Visa hires on average get paid more than hires from inside the US.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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Post by 7thpower »

theendisney wrote: post #484

You should start by treating a job search like a job. Get up at 8 and work 8 hours every day of the week. Lengthy interviews are great as you wont have to struggle figuring out what useful task to spend the hours on. You can also share your schedule in the interviews and disclose other interview processes in progress. They might find talking about interviewing more interesting than your interview. Working with them s…

This is what I am doing right now. I don’t want to risk part timing it, not finding something (been at this a whole week) and then wondering “what if I squandered my time?”.

Sadly I’m forgoing working on my startup because I just enjoy it too much and won’t make progress on getting a role, but themes the brakes!

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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Post by janalsncm »

kredd wrote: post #64

It really sucks right now, but recent grads and juniors are suffering the most right now, to my understanding. There's an over-production of CS grads, as the industry looked very lucrative, so a lot of people decided to go software engineering route. It's hard to make a case for start ups to bet on inexperienced people. For mature companies, why pay for 2 juniors, when you can get a senior for 1.5 price, who might do…

If you check H1B salaries, some companies are paying under $100k for supposedly senior-level engineers. In Silicon Valley.

The government allows this to happen because people aren’t paying attention.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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Post by novok »

This guy is pretty smart, I wonder what he fails on in the interview process?

Must be something consistently off putting? Or the agony becomes too great when he tries to practice yet another leetcode question?

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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Post by morgante »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #422
Aurornis wrote: post #294

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> Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideration your particular profile or the contributions you can make. I’ve done some mentoring of CS grads for the past few years. We some times get people with unreasonable interview demands, like companies asking them to make an entire app or website for the interview process. We advise them to decline the really excessive ones. However, it’s rare to see tha…

> when they describe the process it adds up to around 4-5 hours total 4-5 hours is pretty excessive for an interview process actually. A candidate cannot be doing 4-5 hours for an interview process just to hear a no at the end. Successful job hunts need to have many irons in the fire at once and if each one is taking 4-5 hours there's only so much you can realistically take on I know that interview processes generall…

> 4-5 hours is pretty excessive for an interview process actually.

That's preposterous. You're going to spend hundreds of hours working together. 4-5 hours is extremely reasonable to make sure it's a good mutual fit.

Of course, it shouldn't be 4-5 hours for all candidates. The last hour spent should have a pretty high conversion rate to offer.

But 4-5 hours for hired candidates is completely standard.

> A candidate cannot be doing 4-5 hours for an interview process just to hear a no at the end. Successful job hunts need to have many irons in the fire at once and if each one is taking 4-5 hours there's only so much you can realistically take on

This is a toxic attitude. If you "spray and pray" then refuse any actual interview processes then you're never going to get a great job.

Every job I've gotten came from identifying a dozen or so opportunities up front and going deep on them.

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